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notimagain · 11/07/2026 10:18

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 10:04

That was Ryanair’s response to the questions posed. The Regulators guidelines.
Which I think they stretched to the limit.
I would much prefer an airline that had plenty enough fuel. Not the bare minimum.

Well I've got bad news for you because most airlines have similar policies to FR.

These days pretty much every airline,'s default policy is agreed with the regulator,.and that's (regulator dependent) something like load fuel needed for flight from departure to destination plus a small buffer (maybe <5%) plus enough to divert to a nominated alternate plus enough for another 30 minutes flying....

The days of the captain routinely asking for an extra tonne (shorthaul) or 10 tonnes (longhaul) "just in case" has gone, unless you have good reason (e.g.thunderstorms in the forecast).

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 10:26

notimagain · 11/07/2026 10:18

Well I've got bad news for you because most airlines have similar policies to FR.

These days pretty much every airline,'s default policy is agreed with the regulator,.and that's (regulator dependent) something like load fuel needed for flight from departure to destination plus a small buffer (maybe <5%) plus enough to divert to a nominated alternate plus enough for another 30 minutes flying....

The days of the captain routinely asking for an extra tonne (shorthaul) or 10 tonnes (longhaul) "just in case" has gone, unless you have good reason (e.g.thunderstorms in the forecast).

They may well do. All I posted was that I wished it was not so. And that higher standards prevailed.
Something I would have imagined people would want.

notimagain · 11/07/2026 10:44

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 10:26

They may well do. All I posted was that I wished it was not so. And that higher standards prevailed.
Something I would have imagined people would want.

Given the pressure to reduce emissions, fuel burn and ultimately the wish for low fares you're stuck with the present system.

Reality is generally most days with any airline, including Ryanair, you are probably landing at destination with best part of an hour's fuel in the tanks if not more...you're not landing on fumes..

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:51

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 10:15

Thanks I am perfectly calm and not seeking to engineer some sort of panic.
But if a window falls out of a plane, then yes, it would make me wonder about maintenance.
The thing with planes is that a window falling out should not occur.

I think the real question is why did the engine explode and cause shrapnel to rip out a window? No one is talking about that.

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zacsGranny · 11/07/2026 10:55

I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone remember years ago on a BA flight when the pilot was sucked out of the cockpit? A faulty rivet caused the cockpit window to blow, and a crew member had to hang onto his legs to prevent him being sucked out of the cockpit.
My friend Alistair was the co-pilot who landed the plane. I have the whole story in a Readers Digest and I believe it's on YouTube somewhere.

Alistair is a very quiet and modest man and hates talking about it. Always says that he was just doing his job.

somanychristmaslights · 11/07/2026 10:57

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 10:15

Thanks I am perfectly calm and not seeking to engineer some sort of panic.
But if a window falls out of a plane, then yes, it would make me wonder about maintenance.
The thing with planes is that a window falling out should not occur.

It’s not as though it just fell out though.

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:59

zacsGranny · 11/07/2026 10:55

I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone remember years ago on a BA flight when the pilot was sucked out of the cockpit? A faulty rivet caused the cockpit window to blow, and a crew member had to hang onto his legs to prevent him being sucked out of the cockpit.
My friend Alistair was the co-pilot who landed the plane. I have the whole story in a Readers Digest and I believe it's on YouTube somewhere.

Alistair is a very quiet and modest man and hates talking about it. Always says that he was just doing his job.

If he hates talking about it why are you blasting it out on a public forum?

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notimagain · 11/07/2026 11:00

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:51

I think the real question is why did the engine explode and cause shrapnel to rip out a window? No one is talking about that.

Therr's no conspiracy, the SMEs and others are certainly discussing this elsewhere.

From the images it looks to me as if a fan blade (at the front of the engine) came detached or broke.. those carry a lot of energy and if one comes lose can cause a lot of damage to surrounding engine components and anything else it hits.

Such has happened before, (various causes,.e.g. metal fatigue) - the theory is the engine nacelle structure should.contain the shrapnel but it doesn't always work.like that.

GisGasGus · 11/07/2026 11:03

itchyelbowsandswollenankles · 10/07/2026 23:28

Doubtful. There’s a reason they’re so cheap!

Is it because they save money by only using every other bolt hole on the windows?

potterspot · 11/07/2026 11:06

@AMurderofMurderingCrowsNo I understand a seatbelt would have helped but would a seatbelt alone have prevented it particularly for a child?

zacsGranny · 11/07/2026 11:06

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:59

If he hates talking about it why are you blasting it out on a public forum?

Because it's nothing new. And not just Ryanair. And it's relevant.

notimagain · 11/07/2026 11:06

For those still interested in the
BA incident forget documentaries etc, (they tend to take a few liberties at times), chapter and verse is here:

www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/1-1992-bac-one-eleven-g-bjrt-10-june-1990

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 11:07

notimagain · 11/07/2026 10:44

Given the pressure to reduce emissions, fuel burn and ultimately the wish for low fares you're stuck with the present system.

Reality is generally most days with any airline, including Ryanair, you are probably landing at destination with best part of an hour's fuel in the tanks if not more...you're not landing on fumes..

Edited

Saying fumes I was exaggerating a little to make the point. I don’t literally believe that planes fly on fumes.

Oftenaddled · 11/07/2026 11:08

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:59

If he hates talking about it why are you blasting it out on a public forum?

Sounds like Alistair doesn't like talking about it himself, but the poster is rightly very proud of her friend. She isn't giving away any secrets. I thought that was a very nice post, and a reminder that there are hardworking people out there, quietly working away to make flying as safe as possible.

GisGasGus · 11/07/2026 11:12

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 10:59

If he hates talking about it why are you blasting it out on a public forum?

It's one of the most widely known instances of its type, maybe even the only one, it's hardly a secret

topcat2014 · 11/07/2026 11:15

AMurderofMurderingCrows · 10/07/2026 22:02

This is why the crew ask you to keep your seatbelts fastened when seated.

Or having a massive head helps 😆

He had his belt on, (thankfully)

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 11:26

But I didn’t know his name before.

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AMurderofMurderingCrows · 11/07/2026 11:27

potterspot · 11/07/2026 11:06

@AMurderofMurderingCrowsNo I understand a seatbelt would have helped but would a seatbelt alone have prevented it particularly for a child?

I'm not an air accident specialist or investigator and wasn't there so I can't really say.

As children are smaller they are definitely more vulnerable in situations like this one. I would always make sure my child's seatbelt was fastened as securely as possible as a precaution.

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ZenNudist · 11/07/2026 11:29

ThirdStorm · 10/07/2026 22:11

New fear unlocked.

This 😂

Oftenaddled · 11/07/2026 11:34

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 11:26

But I didn’t know his name before.

I don't think it is an invasion of his privacy to write down his first name. His full name is in news reports, on Wikipedia, in documentaries etc.

The poster is telling us something personal about herself (he's her friend and she's proud of him). She's not revealing anything new or private about him.

OnGoldenPond · 11/07/2026 11:37

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 09:50

My Ryanair flight was operated by Air Malta but it was a Ryanair branded plane with Ryanair cabin crew and recorded messages (about the duty free offers).

Oh ok didn’t realise they did that. Usually when I have had a codeshare flight the plane has the branding of the airline operating the flight.

TheJustJoker · 11/07/2026 11:46

YooEssAyyy · 11/07/2026 09:50

My Ryanair flight was operated by Air Malta but it was a Ryanair branded plane with Ryanair cabin crew and recorded messages (about the duty free offers).

I flew to Rome in April with Ryanair and the return leg was with Malta Air. One of their 737s. I have to say the plane felt quite old and grubby..but that doesn’t make it unsafe.
However this incident was a Ryanair 737 but operated by Malta Air.

potterspot · 11/07/2026 11:57

@AMurderofMurderingCrowsI thought you said seatbelts were there to prevent this hence my question. They sit pretty low on the hips so I can’t see how it would prevent a child no matter how tight you do it up.

notimagain · 11/07/2026 11:59

Oftenaddled · 11/07/2026 11:34

I don't think it is an invasion of his privacy to write down his first name. His full name is in news reports, on Wikipedia, in documentaries etc.

The poster is telling us something personal about herself (he's her friend and she's proud of him). She's not revealing anything new or private about him.

True This was BA, not the SAS and I know Alistair and Tim's names were in the press within a day, if not hours of the 1-11 incident happening..

Hollyhobbi · 11/07/2026 12:02

AMurderofMurderingCrows · 11/07/2026 08:17

Mate, I was cabin crew for years. Yes, seatbelt fastened for severe turbulence but in case of an explosive decompression a seatbelt has saved lives. A simple Google will tell you about one of the most famous cases.

Fuck me, you can't say anything on here without someone trying to prove you wrong 🙄

The poor pilot that never flew again afterwards. That was the craziest thing ever.