Best Amazon Prime Day deals: Mumsnet favourites

Best Amazon Prime Day deals:
Mumsnet favourites

Shop now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Work not taking red alert seriously

1000 replies

Founderflower · Yesterday 11:39

Why are some people not taking the red weather warning seriously? Where I am it’s 39 degrees on Wed/ Thur but ‘feels like’ 42 according to BBC.

At work they’re expecting everyone in - the office is air conditioned, so fine, but we’re central London so everyone needs to schlep in on public transport.

Red means a danger to life and not just for vulnerable people. Some people who are healthy will die because of the weather. There’s warnings of power outages and transport failures. So what happens if we get stuck on a broken down underground train?

I KNOW other countries see these temps regularly. But they are prepared for dealing with it. England is not and it fucks up. I don’t want a heart attack from sitting in 48 degree heat on a train. I’m really stressed out!

If it were a red warning around severe wind or rain or flooding they wouldn’t be telling everyone to come in! So why is heat seen differently?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
22
RudolphTheReindeer · Today 09:46

beigeybeige · Today 09:45

Because 35,000 people in a small space can definitely queue up to buy half price water multiple times. I find that really obnoxious. I don’t believe the emergency services will be able to get people out easily if they faint and this crap of putting the responsibility on the gig goer in 35+ heat is absolutely offensive.
Theres no shade, they won’t be able to bring in sunshades or sufficient water and won’t be able to queue safely in the heat for ages to get water even if they wanted to. Not to mention all the other stuff that people might do at gigs that might cloud their judgements or they might not have enough life experience of hot weather to be sensible until it’s too late. They should cancel mass gatherings of 35,000 people automatically during red warnings

It's nuts imo. I suppose people pay a lot of money so will go regardless unless it's properly cancelled and rearranged.

justasking111 · Today 09:48

The main road below us in our village, two fire engines and police cars sirens on have just gone past. Just thought of the kit that firefighters and police have to wear. 🥵

justasking111 · Today 09:50

Message circulating locally if you choose to eat out please be patient our kitchen staff need extra breaks at the moment.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

ButlerianJihadNow · Today 09:51

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Today 09:38

I rather doubt a MSc in weather modelling gives them any special insight whatsoever into the physiological effects of heat on the human body.

The fact that you would even think that, let alone post it, makes one realise your opinion is based on partisan thoughts, not facts.

Think again

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/climate-impacts/health

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/people/rosa-barciela

Professor Rosa Barciela

Rosa Barciela is the Met Office Weather and Climate Principal Scientific Consultant. Since 2016, she's also been a professor at Exeter University Medical.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/people/rosa-barciela

beigeybeige · Today 09:53

RudolphTheReindeer · Today 09:32

They're offering half price water apparently. How generous of them!

Just looked up the gov guidance and it says in hot weather for mass events free water should be given
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/hot-weather-advice-mass-gatherings-and-planning-events#considerations-to-minimise-the-risk-of-hot-weather

you can’t take the extra time to charge people for water without substantially increasing queuing times and therefore deterring people from getting water. Really pisses me off how making the cash always comes first.

Hot weather advice: mass gatherings and planning events

Health advice for those planning events and mass gatherings during periods of hot weather in England.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/hot-weather-advice-mass-gatherings-and-planning-events#considerations-to-minimise-the-risk-of-hot-weather

Lilylolamillie · Today 09:55

I mainly WFH but have a team build tomorrow. Employer has said for everyone to WFH but will keep the office open for anyone who wishes to come in still.
My boss has decided team build to go ahead - outskirts of London and physical tasks. I have a long drive each way and am dreading it. I love the sun but not travelling in it or doing anything physical in it. Seems so stupid to force us in and clog up roads / public transport which will struggle just for a bit of team bonding which can easily be postponed.

snowmichael · Today 10:08

LakieLady · Yesterday 15:18

Fuck, that's unbelievable!

I can't even begin to imagine what that must have felt like.

People passed out, they closed the line between Waterloo and Baker Street because of the heat

Macinae · Today 10:08

Lilylolamillie · Today 09:55

I mainly WFH but have a team build tomorrow. Employer has said for everyone to WFH but will keep the office open for anyone who wishes to come in still.
My boss has decided team build to go ahead - outskirts of London and physical tasks. I have a long drive each way and am dreading it. I love the sun but not travelling in it or doing anything physical in it. Seems so stupid to force us in and clog up roads / public transport which will struggle just for a bit of team bonding which can easily be postponed.

Ah yes, nothing like boiling hot weather and physical tasks to bond a team. Seriously some employers live in la la land.

Founderflower · Today 10:13

Picklesandfrickles · Today 07:01

@Founderflower genuine question- your happy to take your child to someone who can’t work from home to look after all day (whether it be school/nursery etc) but are concerned about travelling because of danger to your life?

Sorry but make it make sense

No not really, I’d rather the schools closed too but they’re not. I
might keep her off anyway as I’m WFH now.

OP posts:
Founderflower · Today 10:15

lljkk · Today 07:11

Having travelled in poor countries with higher heat witih no air con and higher humidity... they just get on with it. The idea they all go siesta: not true at all. Agricultural workers are still working in the fields, office workers still commuting & working in the office, kids still walking to & from school (schools with no aircon). If it's over 40, PE might be tamed down, I suppose. People who wear huge amounts of clothes to do their jobs: still do.

I had a funny conversation with colleague in Vietnam. Schools close if temps get down to 10 deg C and... that's it. No upper limit considered too hot. State schools, no aircon.

It’s not a flex to suggest we aim to act like very poor countries who have huge amounts of poverty, abused workers and large amounts of deaths. 🥴

OP posts:
Otto1986 · Today 10:18

Macinae · Today 07:41

That sounds like hell even without it being hotter than usual 😂

😂 it is , I lose the will these types of activities

ThatMintMember · Today 10:26

Sladuf1 · Today 06:06

I agree and you’ve brought back some memories. Some employers really didn’t take heed of the warnings for Beast from the East. Our area ended up being one of the worst hit. Thankfully my employer had been sensible and sent us home before the estimated time the snow was due to start falling.

By comparison the chief exec at my mother’s place had emailed all staff, moaning too many people had worked from home and, “it was putting undue strain on the systems.” The stupid git expected staff to come in! Their office was accessed by most people either via an A-road or the motorway. The police and local councils had already put out announcements advising people avoid the A-road due to accidents and stranded vehicles. The road ended up being closed because it was impassable; the motorway was treacherous. Had staff listened to that mad woman, they’d have likely been stranded or worse.

When you’re dealing with idiot managers/employers that aren’t taking heed of extreme weather warnings, you have to be the adult in the room.

Edited

That's terrible. None of us were sent home and by rush hour the roads were horrendous. Very poor visibility, traffic lights had stopped working etc, absolute nightmare.

I've had so many bad managers over the years, they never have any common sense. Not being allowed time off for appointments, colleagues getting in trouble for using the toilet too much, being made to make up time when late because of extreme whether! Happily self employed now away from all that nonsense.

Founderflower · Today 10:29

Love it when an indignant poster (trying to sound extra intellectual by using fancy language) gets owned. Well done!

OP posts:
pigsDOfly · Today 10:29

montysmaw · Yesterday 23:51

People manage to go on holiday to Spain and not die. I mean, tens of millionss go and actively seek these temperatures. But suddenly it's terrifying?

Yes, well the dry heat of Spain is vastly different to the humid heat we have here. And during Wed/Thurs the met is predicting that the humidity is going to be extremely high in those areas experiencing 40 degree temperatures.

I used to live in a hot country and on the day I got married it was 40 degrees but it was dry heat and completely different from here.

Also, it was the decision of the officiants that the wedding shouldn't start till 8pm in order to avoid the heat of the day.

People who live in hot countries tend to avoid too much activity in the hottest parts of the day, unlike people on holidays.

LivingLounge · Today 10:49

@montysmaw you don’t tend to go on holiday in Spain and spend time in a boiling hot metal tube underground.

MrsCarmelaSoprano · Today 10:52

PinkNBlueBunnies · Yesterday 11:41

Well logically, being underground you shouldn’t be any more affected by surface temperatures than usual so your anxiety about being stuck on a broken underground train is unfounded. But I do get that being above ground will be worrying.

Ha ha ha ,clearly not been on a tube ever but the sounds of it !

Lordofthebantams · Today 10:55

MrMay · Yesterday 22:57

I completely agree. Out country is just not used to seeing these temperatures. It's normal. Other countries know what to do in this weather. They adapt. They start their days earlier like maybe 5 or 6 am. They seek shade and rest in the middle of the day.

We don't know how to manage our days in this heat. I also think it's very wrong of our government to make us all continue on working like this when it should be a national crisis at this time.

A national crisis? It's a bit hotter than normal. Don't run around, dress in loose, lightweight clothes, drink lots, use a fan.

MissConductUS · Today 11:00

hugasaurus · Yesterday 14:45

I assume that question was facetious but yes, people who live in hot countries do become more physiologically adapted to heat. That’s how the human body works. It’s why athletes heat train, because the body adapts how it operates to become more efficient when it is exposed to heat longer-term. People who live in hot countries tend to have improved/more efficient sweating, less salt loss during sweating, greater plasma volume, lower heart rate in the heat. Sporadic exposure to heat like we have here doesn’t develop that stuff in the same way.

Edited

It's not going to be a meaningful difference for most people. In the northern U.S., summer temperatures aren't that high. If you go to states like Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. air con is fairly rare because they only need it a few weeks per year.

In the southern states, unless your job requires you to work outside, you go from your air-conditioned home in your air-conditioned car to your air-conditioned workplace.

OP dismissed the article I linked simply because it was from America. The vast majority of Americans are not significantly more tolerant of heat than the average Brit.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Today 11:06

Again? This is the best you can do? Laughable.

However talented she may be, she knows nothing of physiology, she is not medically trained. In all the time i have been there I've never seen medical studies as part of their remit.

Rosa is an international recognised expert working across science, technology and services. She brings a unique mix of broad and deep expertise built over years of working embedded in Weather and Climate Science (13 years), Services (2 years), Applied Science (7 years) and Policy (1 year) ...

Rosa obtained her PhD, in global Earth System biogeochemical modelling and data assimilation

yonem · Today 11:12

@CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone she’s literally a professor of public health at a medical school. Do you think they just give those roles out to anyone? Do you think that despite her doing that role (and therefore also having access to the network and research of the wider medical school) she brings zero scientific consideration of the health impacts back to the Met Office?

Founderflower · Today 11:15

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Today 11:06

Again? This is the best you can do? Laughable.

However talented she may be, she knows nothing of physiology, she is not medically trained. In all the time i have been there I've never seen medical studies as part of their remit.

Rosa is an international recognised expert working across science, technology and services. She brings a unique mix of broad and deep expertise built over years of working embedded in Weather and Climate Science (13 years), Services (2 years), Applied Science (7 years) and Policy (1 year) ...

Rosa obtained her PhD, in global Earth System biogeochemical modelling and data assimilation

Mate! You’re really embarrassing yourself. Just admit it when you’re wrong. We’re all wrong sometimes!

You’ve selected one paragraph and missed out all the relevant bits, such as founding the National Public Health Surveillance System. And

She leads cross-disciplinary teams of scientists, operational meteorologists, technologists, broadcasters and experts in products and services, people development and communication. This work enables the broad use of ensembles across advice and services, including in innovative forecast products particularly in terms of risk of high-impact weather and extreme events, and across multiple sectors and stakeholders.

OP posts:
yonem · Today 11:16

@CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone Not to mention that the UKHSA have also issued red health alerts. Or do you think they don’t know anything about health either?

RudolphTheReindeer · Today 11:21

Lordofthebantams · Today 10:55

A national crisis? It's a bit hotter than normal. Don't run around, dress in loose, lightweight clothes, drink lots, use a fan.

France have just called an emergency meeting due to the heatwave so yes it is causing a National crisis in some areas.

Founderflower · Today 11:23

RudolphTheReindeer · Today 11:21

France have just called an emergency meeting due to the heatwave so yes it is causing a National crisis in some areas.

Italy have just invoked emergency measures in cities such as Milan, to ensure payment for outside workers to not work

OP posts:
Zita60 · Today 11:31

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Today 11:06

Again? This is the best you can do? Laughable.

However talented she may be, she knows nothing of physiology, she is not medically trained. In all the time i have been there I've never seen medical studies as part of their remit.

Rosa is an international recognised expert working across science, technology and services. She brings a unique mix of broad and deep expertise built over years of working embedded in Weather and Climate Science (13 years), Services (2 years), Applied Science (7 years) and Policy (1 year) ...

Rosa obtained her PhD, in global Earth System biogeochemical modelling and data assimilation

Try this then: "The UK Health Security Agency has issued a red health warning for six regions of England from 1am on Wednesday until 11pm on Thursday.

This indicates “a risk to life for even the healthy population” as well as impacts beyond health and social care, with potential effects on transport systems, food, water, energy supplies and businesses."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jun/23/europe-heatwave-live-news-updates-uk-red-temperature-warnings-40-degrees-france-heat-deaths-crisis-meeting?page=with%3Ablock-6a3a15bd8f082ef543847a42#block-6a3a15bd8f082ef543847a42

Europe heatwave live: ‘London is cooking,’ says UN chief as UK forecast to hit 38C; France has hottest night since records began

António Guterres urges world to act on fossil fuels as continent braces for record-breaking heat; French PM to hold emergency meeting after heat deaths

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jun/23/europe-heatwave-live-news-updates-uk-red-temperature-warnings-40-degrees-france-heat-deaths-crisis-meeting?page=with%3Ablock-6a3a15bd8f082ef543847a42#block-6a3a15bd8f082ef543847a42

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread