How stupid are Labour MPs?!

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One after the other on the BBC this morning, all but one patting themselves on the back and almost dancing for how clever they are that they're forcing Starmer to resign so that Burnham will be coronated the new PM.

They all think they've got the new Boris.

Maybe he is, but it didn't work out very well for him - or for us - did it?

Starmer stood for leader once, won by a landslide, and then won a landslide general election. Burnham has stood for leader twice before, and got trounced both times. Winning a mayoral election in a Labour heartland is hardly a remarkable achievement.

They all seem to think Burnham will unite the left, but he hasn't given one policy idea that will appeal to left wing voters.

Starmer is a decent man. I don't regret voting for him. Burnham is an actor who says anything that he thinks will make him popular. I know who I'd rather have.

In the 1930s the opposition said of the Labour voter:

‘They’ll vote for a pig.

Often do.’

To stop reform getting in that’s what’ll happen.

I’m disgusted by Labour’s fail
upon fail to listen to decent people who object to eg unlawful immigration fraud.

Bring on the pig. We deserve better, sigh.

I don’t think they are stupid. They are scared for their jobs after the May elections. For the first time ever they were wiped out in Wales and they lost a lot of councils in England to Reform. Now they are pinning their hopes on Burnham because they know that the public despise Starmer.

Quote :"All five pretend that men can become women, which is usually a good indicator that they're left wing / not right wing."

By that logic the Communist Party of China is not left wing.

The CPC don't even acknowledge LGB rights, never mind Trans. And the CPC are Marxist.

Are the CPC right wing ?

Definition of a politician.

I think it’s the potential absence of a leadership campaign that makes people feel uneasy.

Humans always feel uneasy when faced with a lack of control - look how angry someone people were about the coalition - some called for a second election then.

If Starmer had resigned for health reasons we may not have got a leadership election either.

Our system is logical. Whether it should be replaced with PR, an elected second chamber, a presidential system - these are all legitimate questions. But our system is logical as it is, and we don't need a GE.

I did a lot with Labour about ten years ago. I have very little respect for Andy Burnham. He's just a Spad who thinks he's Jesus.

I'll end my membership I think. It's not because of any massively strong feelings (although I did like Starmer), just more a sense of times are tight, why should I be paying for this?

Also, there should be some kind of complicated German noun for the feeling you get when you know it is six months till the idiots driving this are wringing their hands on TV moaning about how they were misled.

Anger mixed with despair mixed with contempt and 'but your pension still looks pretty tidy doesn't it?'

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I've never felt the self interested nature of these idiots so much.

Employers NI.
Raising nmw.
Higher energy prices due to net zero nutter
Removing 2 child cap.
Not urgently ensuring UK trained medical staff get fair opportunities to get employment.

Paying off the doctors without negotiating an actual deal. They're still striking.

None of that is fucking the country over.

You may disagree, but that doesn't mean it's deliberately destroying the country.

I really hope Starmer doesn’t resign. He should just keep a steady course.
Internal party management problems shouldn’t ever be dealt with by a party coronation. And it’s a terrible time to have a GE.

Starmer’s made a pretty good fist so far of the utter shitshow he inherited. Hope he stays on. Bring Burnham inside the tent, fine. Just do not resign, do not descend to that Tory level of internal party squabbling played out at national level and at the expense of the national interest. We can’t afford this stupid distraction. Theres important stuff going on here and all over the world that needs dealing with.

@Greigesofa Theres important stuff going on here and all over the world that needs dealing with.

I am so fed up of Chris Mason, at the BBC. All day yesterday they were trying to make us read about an imminent resignation and now he is wetting his pants outside no. 10 "not taking his eyes off the door",

Meanwhile there is a terrific build up of Russian troops trying to surround a city in the Donbas ...

I agree. It feels like an imposition. One that is within the rules.

at GE time you have weeks of debate involving the party leaders. Whole tv programmes for lined up leader debates. Within the last 20 years you had party leader Nick Clegg basically increasing popularity of the libdems through his charisma and performances at such events. So much so they ended up in the Tory coalition. And Starmer - would have got Labour elected without needing to set stupid things in his manifesto like no income tax rises to gain previously Tory votes, but by doing so, you can’t say that voters liked what they saw (when hell would freeze before they would have lent their vote to Corbyn).

Rules or not, the public, that politicians (are meant to work for first and foremost) ARE undeniably influenced by the leader when they vote. That’s an understatement too! So the rules need to change. Mid term change (other perhaps for serious illness or death) elect your leader and call GE within, say, 6 months.

Wiederholungsklugfehlschuldzuschieber

Someone who smugly thinks they’re a genius, executes a plan that predictably explodes and then loudly blames everyone except themselves, and then immediately does the exact same thing again

I’ve been listening to the radio a lot and I’ve heard a lot of disgruntled members. Seems there’s a huge disconnect between the PLO and ordinary members.

Burnham talks passionately and is relatable. Delivers a good speech. Seems well liked and did a good job in Manchester. I feel sad (and more) that in this popularity contest, his surface is not being scratched through any sort of test. At least a leadership contest would show up a bit more detail.

I remember him from pre Manchester mayor and he definitely blew with the wind in many cases.

Ha yes!!! Swipe right for the next leader then. It’s all so depressing.

More accurate words from Labour MP John Slinger, I hadn’t heard him before but he spoke to me:

”Modern politics:
Consumerisation
Rights not responsibilities
Instant gratification
Rolling news over analysis
Blame culture
Toxic social media
Charisma over character
Popularity over policy
Politics = my life over life experience
Disagreeing disagreeably
Short-termism
Out-dated”

Sadly I don’t think he will stay BECAUSE no matter any poor choices over the last 2 years, he doesn’t put himself first but will make the decision he sees will serve the country best, and reduce the oft spoken about Tory chaos.

I’m absolutely sick of the press’ glee at what they are reporting.

applause

Also for swipe right for the next leader. Depressingly, that's the most nailed it thing I ever read.

Disagree. Starmer is the only actor between those two. Corbyn was his friend until he’d stabbed him in the back and thrown him off stage. The guy flip flops constantly, at least Burnham has a moral compass.

He’s going to cover a PM resigning.

For the third time in four years.

Well it’s Labour on this one. Of course the press will be there.

He's resigned.

Forced out by incompetent Labour MPs.

There is absolutely no way I will vote for a party that has now just imposed a new PM I didn't vote for on me.

Well that’s it he’s resigned. Fed up of this government constantly calling for resignations.