Why do so many Labour MPs want Kier out?

[SixtySevenLabubus]

Im not a fan of Labour/ Starmer as such, but I don’t think he’s a bad politician. Why do so many Labour MPs want him out?

I'm not a centrist or Labour-Tory swing voter, but for those who are it baffles me why they hate Starmer so much. He inherited an unprecedentedly bad economic situation after 14 years of Tory disaster, has managed to not make it any worse and start getting a few things in place to make it better (which will take far longer than two short years to bear fruit). He's presided over a massive reduction in immigration (although for some weird reason they refuse to admit or acknowledge it), taking away the No.1 attack point from the right.

But politics is perception. The fact is, hate him they do and that means that all those Labour MPs are looking at not having a job come 2029. Of course they're going to want a different leader who can keep them in post.

He’s explicitly rejected the idea of anything being Starmerism. He seems proud to have no convictions, vision, mission or idea. Bizarre.

Ipsos polling says yes. And levels of government borrowing. On both he’s blown her record out of the water. But he thinks squawking “14 years” means people haven’t noticed.

Because some of them were elected to represent their constituents who are the working poor, and all he’s capable of doing is giving more money to the superrich?

He’s explicitly rejected the idea of anything being Starmerism.
Has he!? Blimey
He seems proud to have no convictions, vision, mission or idea. Bizarre.
But he came to power promising "Change": he must have some idea of what he wants to change to. Mustn't he?

Have you noticed that AB is burbling on about "Hope". Have Labour given up on policies and are touting pie-in-the-sky instead.

These are arguments that are trotted out regardless of who’s in power. No jobs, people pretending to be disabled and better to be on benefits.

He is doing a good job.

Because Starmer has become massively unpopular during his 2 years as PM and that is making Labour massively unpopular, as evidenced by May’s disastrous local election results. That is threatening the seats of hundreds of the party’s MPs which is why they want him out.

A large proportion of Labour MPs were elected for the first time in 2024. Labour’s massive majority made them think their seats, and livelihoods, were safe for at least the next decade. Now, they are panicking that it could all fall apart unless they get a much more popular leader.

Starmer is perceived to have been far too cautious & risk averse as PM, opting for process-driven incremental tinkering when most of his party want much more radical & structural changes. I think this is unfair in many ways because Labour inherited a total shitshow from the Tories & turning things round was always going to take time. He has made mistakes, though, eg winter fuel, Mandelson, the ‘jobs tax’ etc.

Labour inherited a total shitshow from the Tories & turning things round was always going to take time.
He should have had an oven-ready plan; he had plenty of time to formulate it. Instead he has come to power and has sent innumerable things off to 'consultation' i.e. kicked it into the long grass. Indecision and dithering.

Because they don’t think Labour will win the next election led by him and they don’t want to lose their seats.

Exactly why the Tories ditched Boris.

Exactly why some of the Republicans are starting to tentatively push back at Trump.

All those speeches and letters and leaks to the media, wanging on about policies and trust and all the rest of their pretend reasons, don’t be fooled. They wouldn’t be worrying about any of that if the polls were more favourable.

It is true.

Anyone who can leave is leaving the country. That is a fact. Thousands and thousands of HNW individuals have left the country. That is a fact.

There is no point in working as taxes are increasing and increasing.

The IHT changes has meant that lots of family businesses are giving up (not just farmers).

People are going to the Isle of Man to escape IHT.

Anyone can say that they have anxiety and get PIP. That was David Cameron's stupid fault but the Labour party is not stopping it as they will lose votes and it is only people on benefits who will vote for them now.

There are all facts. Why don't YOU do some fact checking???

He’s not the most unpopular nor is he the worst- there are others who are much worse eg Eden, Johnson, Truss, Cameron. The UK, billionaire owned media want Farage as PM and they’ve been after Starmer from the beginning, plus as the DPP he would have made enemies of journalists. He’s not perfect but my friends and I think that he’s quietly getting on with some good stuff. I hate that the media are hysterically hounding him but don’t put the same effort into looking into Farage and Dick Tice’s financial affairs.
When/if Burnham becomes PM, they’ll go after him too like they did Milliband and other members of Labour.
We’re being played.

@HeddaGarbled Yes Boris the self publicist who didn’t read the briefs. Burnham is pretty similar. All rhetoric and no policies. Just not Starmer! It’s ludicrous that we now want a “personality” pm. Never mind his lack of any info on what he will change and how. He just bleats about “change”.

There are quite a few issues for the next election. Immigration is down but expect Reform to lie about that. Then there’s defence spending and how to deal with Russia. The effect on prices by external issues. The lack of jobs for young people, the perennial mess of the NHS and education and high taxation and borrowing to fund benefits: and that’s just a few things.

Interestingly he is marginally more popular than Merz and Macron in their respective countries. Whist he is undoubtedly not good at politics, the problems of most European countries are proving very difficult to solve.

It was David Cameron who announced the Brexit referendum and Ed Miliband strongly suggested, during a pre election debate, that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

So it was the Conservative party who wrecked Great Britain. Labour tried to stop it.

Totally agree. Our press is relentlessly right wing and they have got it in for Starmer because he is a Labour PM. I like Starmer; he is decent, intelligent and resolute. He has made mistakes and been poorly advised, but he is doing a good job as leader, in my view.
The promotion of Nigel Farage and Reform defies belief. I am sick of hearing the BBC political pundits talking up Reform and suggesting Farage will be our next PM!
Why is he hated? People hear the same message from every reporter on every programme and in every newspaper and if they hear it enough, they start to believe it.

Because they're afraid they won't be re-elected at the next GE. They desperately need the party to be more popular in the hope they'll get re-elected and stay in the gravy train for another 5 years.

A huge yes to that. Same with Reeves, she'd had years of being Shadow Chancellor and should have been on top of the job the moment they won the election, but she clearly had made no plans at all, not done the necessary research, etc.

These aren't people who were caught by surprise being given a post they'd not expected. It's not as if Reeves had been shadow Health Secretary and was given the Chancellor job as a surprise!

More interested in why that after almost 2 years as PM, so many people can't spell his name.

People love to have someone to blame for all their problems. They are blaming KS now. When he's gone, the public will turn on the next person in charge.

The obvious solution, since labour are in power for another three years, is give it another year and then decide. But people don't become an MP because they are sensible, they become an MP because they are power hungry. This whole siutation has been manufactured by the right wing press and people like Wes Streeting who smells blood and things he can use the issue to spingboard into being PM.

I think KS should say he is staying for another year and then will review things. I'm a labour member an if there is a leadership election I'm voting for KS

The country needs stability against the Iran regime, Middle East conflict and threats from Putin. Installing a new, more left leaning politician is not the way to achieve it. It is reprehensible that hundreds of inexperienced left leaning labour MP are putting self and socialist ideology (a contradiction in itself) before country during an historical period of world conflict.

For the sake of the country the bigger picture should trump Burnham. If it doesn't more chaos, instability and rift will arise.

If Burnham wins, I predict a 2027 election, no overall majority and utter chaos. If that's where Burnham leads us the Labour Party's integrity is dead and buried.

I honestly don't know what the future holds.

Libdems are dead and buried and now completely irrelevant.

Tories are heading that way - Kemi speaks well, but look at the Tory's thrashing in Makerfield. She's just not hitting the spot with the broader electorate and probably never will. Rishi almost killed the Tory party and Kemi doesn't seem able to turn it around.

Labour could well find themselves in the political wilderness for a generation after the current Starmer shambles, especially if Raynor/Burnham take it further left.

I only hope we don't end up with another coalition of opposing parties as the last one between Tories and Libdems was an utter disaster with their horse trading policies without an overall strategic plan.

@Badbadbunny Sunak didn’t kill off the Conservatives! Look at the rabble he took over. Constant change of leadership and in fighting. I’m not happy about our polarised politics either and I’d rather have Cons than Reform. Unfortunately people follow a loud mouth and seem to follow Farage despite his lies and his ludicrous self harm of Brexit. We are undoubtedly a nation with no deeper understanding of economics than a fly.

Have you been in a coma the past 18mths 👀🫣

I can’t stand him

he’s like a wet fish who is gasping for air

but that aside the whole online safety act about preventing kids from harm on line and banning under 16s from social
media ( apart from blue skye ) will mean digital id by the back door

none of this was in the manifesto but he is absolutely desperate to bring in digital ID

so he can fuck off and fuck off to the far side
to quote a mumsnet saying for being a lying prick