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Will lessons really be learnt after this tragic child abuse case?

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Tolkienista · 16/06/2026 07:21

The horrific case of baby Preston Davey sickeningly abused by his adoptive parents (a teacher and his partner) concluded in a guilty verdict in court yesterday.
The details are too traumatic to contemplate the awful end of this child's life.
Once again the age old phrase "lessons will be learnt" has been quoted and I have to say, will they?

I know life is extremely complicated & I'm in no doubt that the killer of Preston was manipulative, cold hearted and extremely secretive in covering up his abuse of this defenceless little child.
I guess that because abuse generally takes place behind closed doors, child abuse will sadly always be a part of our society.

Utterly utterly tragic.

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bafta16 · 20/06/2026 15:13

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/06/2026 17:57

The 60 odd year old gran who would have been still parenting into her 70s, whose 14 year old daughter murdered a pensioner she befriended. That gran?

Age is immaterial here. Completely.

bafta16 · 20/06/2026 17:47

So let me get this straight, the perp makes hideous comments at his workplace which raise alarm bells with friends/colleagues. They follow the procedure and tell the Head who visits and falls for some story about MH?

saltandpepperandahanselstew · 21/06/2026 20:15

https://www.change.org/injurymapping

please sign and share this petition to mandate injury body mapping on children aged 0-5 when they attend a&e with a fracture. This won’t help Preston but it will help others like him in the future x

SeasideDaisy · 22/06/2026 09:25

bafta16 · 20/06/2026 17:47

So let me get this straight, the perp makes hideous comments at his workplace which raise alarm bells with friends/colleagues. They follow the procedure and tell the Head who visits and falls for some story about MH?

The correct procedure wasn’t to inform the head it would have been to report it themselves, that way they know it’s definitely recorded and can help to build a picture. I think it’s shocking that his family/colleagues/friends didn’t do this.

bafta16 · 22/06/2026 13:42

SeasideDaisy · 22/06/2026 09:25

The correct procedure wasn’t to inform the head it would have been to report it themselves, that way they know it’s definitely recorded and can help to build a picture. I think it’s shocking that his family/colleagues/friends didn’t do this.

We hear these snippets of information and turn them to ourselves and our lives. A small child crying night after night,being described as dead meat,wished dead by drowning.
It's unfathomable.

Regarding and reporting, I reported seeing a child in night clothes running around out side a Hotel, talking to absolutely anybody. Never heard a thing .

SeasideDaisy · 22/06/2026 13:52

bafta16 · 22/06/2026 13:42

We hear these snippets of information and turn them to ourselves and our lives. A small child crying night after night,being described as dead meat,wished dead by drowning.
It's unfathomable.

Regarding and reporting, I reported seeing a child in night clothes running around out side a Hotel, talking to absolutely anybody. Never heard a thing .

I’ve reported concerns myself and haven’t heard anything but it’s still so important to report, for all we know we could be the first to report about a certain child but it gets noted and helps build a bigger picture with each concern reported.
The friends and colleagues in this case were teachers and would have had safeguarding training and should have reported these concerns.
I’ve worked in a primary school as a cleaner before and had to do a safeguarding training course, it was made clear any concerns were to be reported to social services unless you felt a child was in immediate danger where you should phone the police. If someone I worked with had told me they thought about hurting/drowning a baby I would have called 999. They might not have responded but that’s not the point.

bafta16 · 22/06/2026 14:54

If someone I worked with had told me they thought about hurting/drowning a baby I would have called 999

Dreaful situation. How on earth coud this be OK?

SparklyHazelEagle · 23/06/2026 18:21

Why did it take a child's death to reveal adoption system failings? (article about the findings of the inquiry into baby Shayla (Elsie) murder in 2016, by her adoptive father. Written by a child protection social worker.)

Our adoption system is failing children. The review into the death of Elsie Scully-Hicks identified important lessons for professionals involved in protecting children. But it does not go far enough: it misses a number of fundamental flaws in the system that were evident before her death. These flaws can lead to vulnerable children being rushed into unsuitable adoptions, and then pushed back into care once the adoption breaks down.

This should not be news to social workers, adopters or foster carers. But there is a culture of unquestioned optimism and inadequate scrutiny of decision-making through the process that can be disastrous. Indeed, it should be no surprise to anyone working in the system that one theme of the review was that, with the benefit of hindsight, professionals were excessively positive about Elsie’s adoptive placement.

The implication is that social workers and health professionals were unwilling to consider that adoptive parents might harm their child. That is inevitable in a system that, despite the complex realities, views adoption as the optimum outcome for children in care. It is a system that treats potential adoptive parents’ experiences differently to those of birth parents: anecdotally, an adoptive parent who has experienced some form of childhood adversity is likely to be described as resilient and empathic to the needs of the children they may adopt. The same experience in a birth parent’s childhood is likely to be seen as the opposite – a risk factor and an area of vulnerability.

There are stark differences in the way potential adopters and birth parents are assessed. When a local authority begins care proceedings, it is not unusual for birth parents to be asked to engage in endless assessments by various professionals. Commonly, this will include examinations of their parenting capacity, cognitive functioning (including psychometric testing) and mental health, the latter two led by a psychologist. Often there will be duplications, with two social workers each completing different assessments, with many families repeatedly asked the same questions. In the case of a parent with a learning disability, there will usually be a further parenting assessment.

Potential adopters, in contrast, are assessed once by a social worker who then acts as their supervisor and advocate. Assessments of adopters tend to be overly descriptive with little analysis. While the review into Elsie Scully-Hicks’ death asserted that the assessments of her adopters were robust, in general there are substantial inconsistencies in the quality of these assessments. My experience is that it is not uncommon for them to be less rigorous and demanding than assessments of birth parents. Guidance on assessments of adopters was revised in 2011 to increase levels of analysis, but little seems to have changed.

Typically, adopters whose application is approved will continue to be represented by the social worker who assessed them. This means that their social worker is invested in the adopters having a child placed in their care – it is on the basis of their professional judgment that this recommendation is made. But it is also in the interests of the child’s social worker for them to be placed with an adopter, because otherwise there would be a delay to the child being provided with a long-term placement.

The coalition government’s well-intentioned drive to speed up the adoption process has added pressure to prioritise a placement even if there is uncertainty about its merits. It does not feel like a system that promotes sound decision-making, and there seems to be a lack of scrutiny at every stage: once a court grants a placement order, a local authority is free to place a child in an adopter’s care. Adoption panels, which should provide independent oversight, have little real authority to challenge proposed placements and only make recommendations. It is unusual for them to probe social workers’ analysis. The adoption agency decision maker, who must approve the placement, bases their decision on the reports from the social workers, which are bound to be positive.
Similarly, when courts are asked to grant an adoption order, decisions are based on a suitability report from the social workers involved, Moreover, once the child has been placed in the care of the adopter, professionals are reluctant to disrupt the placement. A social worker would have to have enormous confidence in their judgment to suggest moving a child once they have settled into a new home.

The number of adoption breakdowns is evidence of the inadequacy of existing processes. A 2014 government-commissioned study found that 3.2% of adoptions broke down over a 12-year period, but that hides large differences across the country – the rate is said to be as high as 20% in some areas and a BBC survey last year found 25% of adoptive families were “in crisis”. The cause of poor outcomes for these families is frequently attributed to the lack of support services available to adoptive parents. This is undoubtedly a factor. The lack of robust assessments and limited scrutiny of placements must be another.

It is the system that is failing, not individual professionals. It should not have taken the death of a child to highlight flaws in the system, but this must lead to improvements in the way social workers select and assess adopters. We must not be afraid to question and challenge colleagues when a decision is being made to place a child with an adopter. There should be additional scrutiny of the processes to match a child with their new family, from the courts and senior managers. If we do not change the system, we implicitly accept that children will continue to be placed with adopters who will reject them or, at worst, harm them.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/social-workers-adoption-system-failings

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:05

DancingLions · 16/06/2026 10:53

People don't ever see the work that goes on behind the scenes. No child should suffer what Preston did, it makes me sick and angry. But at the same time, no one see's all the children who have been protected from abuse. You only ever hear about what goes wrong.

I used to work in a similar field, where we were also chronically understaffed. At some point you have to end your work day. No one can work 24/7. Every case is difficult, every case is urgent. So what do you do?

I am a bit tired of the phrase "lessons will be learned" but the public in general can't accept that sometimes bad things happen and, for numerous reasons, we sadly can't save everyone.

It isn't even just about money. People don't want to do these jobs. This means high workloads and burnout for the ones that do. Which leads to less people wanting to do the job and so it goes on. I don't know what the answer is.

Disagree, it was possible to stop it.
He went to hospital 3 times. Nobody followed it or thought it was odd when he had never been to hospital before .
Hus foster mother said she wasn't happy and felt she was being stopped from seeing him. Nobody listened to her concerns. It's incompetence. When she was concerned the baby should have been returned to her.

We need ordinary mums to make some of these decisions.

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:07

bafta16 · 22/06/2026 14:54

If someone I worked with had told me they thought about hurting/drowning a baby I would have called 999

Dreaful situation. How on earth coud this be OK?

Yes, there were opportunities. He said something odd things to people.

BridgetJonesV2 · 23/06/2026 19:17

Male only adoption/fostering/surrogacy needs to be actively stopped but we're all too terrified to say that out loud as it's seen as prejudiced. The risks are just too high. Children aren't commodities or lifestyle accessories, they are tiny precious human beings and their rights need to be the only things in consideration here.

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:18

bilbohaggins · 17/06/2026 09:50

@ThePieceHall

Yeah, but at least check that these people have read some books and given it proper thought. This foster mother will have seen adoptive parents and new parents before and she seemed to think it was quite striking. Surely it’s a red flag that these guys seemed to know nothing at all about caring for a young child and needed intensive instruction from the foster mother, but then basically shut her out and refused to meet her from then on?

Agree. Any concerns going forward, the child should be returned to the foster parents. It should have been in place already. Fancy not listening to her concerns.

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:19

BridgetJonesV2 · 23/06/2026 19:17

Male only adoption/fostering/surrogacy needs to be actively stopped but we're all too terrified to say that out loud as it's seen as prejudiced. The risks are just too high. Children aren't commodities or lifestyle accessories, they are tiny precious human beings and their rights need to be the only things in consideration here.

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Yes and action now shouldn't be advertising kids on their website, with names and pictures etc.

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:26

MayaLui · 16/06/2026 13:55

This was a very difficult case, as the couple were convincing both on paper and in person. They looked like ideal adopters. They were intelligent and certainly aware of the safeguarding concerns that those in child protection would be looking for, and could adapt their behaviour accordingly. It takes a great deal of skill to see beyond the surface of all that. Social workers certainly need extensive training to be able to do so, but I wouldn't call being fooled in these circumstances a "failing".

There have been past cases where outcomes genuinely would have been different if professionals had done their jobs properly - Asiah Kudi, Baby Peter - but this is more nuanced. I'd like to hear more about the bruising and why that wasn't followed up further.

He was a drama queen and very aggressive He doesn't come across as a suitable adopter to me without all the vile stuff he did . His persona alone I've seen in interviews and CCTV footage shows him as extremely odd.
Were they the only couple available?

ChalkOutlines · 23/06/2026 19:30

Lessons are pointless without the funding,resources and infrastructure necessary for them to be implemented and truly “learned”.

Netcurtainnelly · 23/06/2026 19:33

ThreadGuardDog · 18/06/2026 16:03

Why is it homophobic ? The NHS saw that baby three times with significant injuries, and not once did they flag up concerns, even when one of the injuries was a broken arm with elbow involvement. Varley gave two different doctors two entirely different accounts of what happened, and yet still no safeguarding concerns were raised. I believe that at least in part, this was due to staff not wanting to be seen as homophobic or bigoted.

Or just being incompetent.

SeasideDaisy · 23/06/2026 21:12

Jesus Christ, why does this seem to be happening so often. I feel like since Covid it’s been continuously happening.
That poor little girl, just heartbreaking.

IdBeLionIfISaid · 28/06/2026 09:24

I wonder if Varley getting a WLO will mean more judges start giving this sentence?
There have been many cases that on the face of it (and obviously I'm aware I don't know the full facts) that are as bad as Varley but have only been given 20 years or so.

BelleDeJourRose · 30/06/2026 09:31

Apologies I see this has already been posted

GingerBeverage · 01/07/2026 17:41

BelleDeJourRose · 30/06/2026 09:31

Apologies I see this has already been posted

No response though.

WaryCrow · 01/07/2026 17:57

What response do you want? God almighty what is wrong with men.

You look at those photos of a lovely child smiling and wonder if she had injuries then and was smiling through it. Yes child rearing is hard, you get sleep deprived, I don’t believe anyone who says they’ve never shouted… but they’ve got nothing, nothing internal to stop them when they’ve got a tiny child in front of them, no personal limits of what they won’t do, can’t do? And the sexual abuse - just god what is wrong with men??

WarehamResident · 05/07/2026 18:46

We should think the unthinkable and say that children below a certain age should not be adopted into male only households.
It has been statistically established that small children are most at risk from unrelated males