If you wouldn’t usually vote Tory, Reform or any right of centre party, what could they do…

[CurlewKate]

to change your mind?

People usually drift right because they are angry depressed and despairing. So they only need to keep treating people like shit and pushing the story that the the UK is 'broken' and that some Other group is to blame: immigrants, at the moment, remember when it was single/young mothers as their angle?

Will take a while though as most people are not that angry! Except on internet fora...

@ Summerhillsquare
“People usually drift right because they are angry depressed and despairing”

No they don’t: historically, you’re more inclined to be idealistic and towards the left when you’re young, then experience and life make you more realistic so you drift towards the right as you get older. There’s probably nothing the right can do to attract those on the left, any more than Labour could do anything to get me to vote for them. At the moment, politics is in a right mess - I fear at the next general election, we may end up with a hung parliament, so no telling what we might end up with. I do think, though, that if a party changes leader (other than through death in office) then it should trigger a general election. I thought that when the Conservatives were in power, and I still think it under Labour. Andy Burnham is already making noises about ignoring manifesto promises - how else are we to vote for a party other than through what they put in their manifesto? If they want to tear that up and go in a different direction, they should go to the country.

Make clear anti racist views and manifestos.
Make clear policies that support people in need and with disabilities.

No matter if I personally was better off, I couldn't vote for a party where I fear that people are going to be physically harmed under them, and I think it's the case with both of those things at the moment.

Have realistic policy proposals which will help and not harm the UK’s interests.

Stop taking money from or being heavily influenced by foreign billionaires.

Stop being racist, sexist cunts.

I quite like Kemi- think she is doing a good job recently. I also think her policy to get rid of stamp duty is sensible and will fix a lot of issues in the housing market. I hope she doesn’t feel pressure to move further to the right- there are plenty of people who would be willing to vote for sensible centre right policies.

It would have helped if the Tories hadn't put the country in the state it is in. Im 50. They have been in for 35 years of my life. In that time they decimated the industry of my home town and replaced it with nothing. Sold off all the social housing. Then primited houses to be a way of accumulating wealth. Privatised water. gas, royal mail and trains. Resulting in profits going to individuals rather than being reinvested.

Then they claim to be good for the economy and yet allowed fucking brexit to happen which has damaged our economy forever.
Their pathetic use of populism over things like illegal immigration (which they made worse through Brexit) and trans issues ( pretending that they give a fuck about women when we know they are just doing it as an easy vote winner - though they are right on acting on this its the reason they use us).
I can't even begin to say what would reform have to do to win my vote?Because there is nothing, ever that would convince me to vote for them. They are so transparent that they exist to make Farage et al very rich. They use fear and division to get votes. If they get into power, they will change things so that they ultra rich, get even richer. They are feeding racism. They pretend that they care about womens safety to win votes which is vile.

Quit being vile racist grifters and point the finger at the real culprits of why society is in such a mess. Which is never going to happen, as that would require them to point the fingers at themselves and their donors. The mess we're in can be laid at the feet of Thatcher, Cameron & Osborne, Farage, Johnson, Gove, Truss, Braverman and Jenrick (the latter two oversaw the explosion in immigration numbers post Brexit) and all of the right wing media and donors who have and continue to enable them.

The right always choose to blame the vulnerable in society - immigrants, single mothers, the disabled, children in large families. These people are not the reason why your life is shit. Your life is shit because millionaires and billionaires are hoovering up all the wealth created by workers around the globe. The reason why wages in real terms have been stagnant for twenty years is because all the growth has gone straight to the top 1% in society. The same 1% who supported the Tories who enabled them to get disgustingly rich, and the same 1% who now back Reform as they will continue to enable them to do this by sowing division between different ethnic groups to distract from the real problem, them!

TLDR - hell will have to freeze over before I ever vote for a right wing party. It is obvious what Reform are doing - their tactics are straight out of the fascist playbook, don't fall for it. The politics of Reform destroys societies and eventually destroys even those who supported them.

I reject the premise of your question. It’s presumptuous and self serving. You want to learn and understand? Go read the Western cannon, not just French philosophers of the 20th century.

I still can't fathom why Brexit happened or how any right wing party is attractive in any way. I agree with all the previous posters except the one who said to lie about their immigration and doing good for people policies.
Also politics in the UK have been pushed ever further to the right. Corbyn's policies would have been far better for the majority but the billionaire owned press did an outstanding hatchet job on him.

Nothing.

Not be right wing....

I think it's the opposite actually - younger people are angry with the establishment and vote for more left wing parties and that anger reduces as they get older, and they become less radical

Young people (in fact under 50's) skew left absolutely, but are less likely to vote or be angry at immigrants in the same way.

perhaps you never talk to older people about politics - but they have been radicalised by Facebook and You Tube as they're not digital natives. My neighbours voted Reform in Council elections - the only immigrant they know is the care worker who looks after them! Employed by the Council! But they saw a video...

Young people are somewhat more savvy. I'm generalising of course. But sadly the common thread is young people not voting. The pervasive sense of despair pushed by the far right online is powerful, you would think the country is fucked. But in my poor/ordinary part of the north east, the roads are full of new cars and the cafes and shops are packed on the weekend. I can often see my GP the same day. Care workers take young disabled people out to enjoy themselves (bloody Africans they are!) My tenant, a lovely nurse from India, took her family on a holiday to Scotland last month and apparently had a lovely time. Next door neighbours are off to Spain. Perhaps things aint as bad as Garage and co would have us believe?

It’s not as simple as changing policies, it’s the whole ethos of right wing parties that would prevent me from ever voting for them.

Getting rich is their primary function. Not even getting the country rich, but themselves personally. How much did the Tories and their cronies make out of Covid? JRM even wrote a book about how to make money through disaster economics. They engineer fuck-ups to dip the stock markets and get rich on the back of it. Isn’t Farage currently earning ££££s in the States for giving after-dinner speeches? When is he ever in Clacton?

They don’t care about the country, or their constituents. They care about themselves and money. Unless they had a sudden epiphany and realised that their role is to do what is best for society, not themselves, I would never vote for them.

Ive never voted tory. Im tempted because I totally blame labour for the rise in youth unemployment and for shafting british farmers and businesses. For me tories would need to be committed to reduced carbon emmissions. I would never vote reform

Young people are more likely to believe that cross-dressing men are women - savvy is not the word I'd use to describe them!

I agree. I would vote for a reasonable centrist party. If the Tories pull too far towards Reform I wouldn't vote for them, but as a lifelong Labour voter ( rather than supporter) I would vote for them if they pulled more towards the 'One nation ' Tories of old rather than tacking further Right. Probably over Labour, as I sadly think Labour have shown themselves to be a party not serious about governing, and that is not about who leads but a fundamental problem with the Labour Party itself.

Stop

• wearing this hat (and all that it entails)
• zupporting fox and stag hunting (Kemi and Farage)
• taking money from foreign billionaires who don't even pay tax in the UK
• being misogynists who think Andrew Tate has a point
• peddling anti climate change lies
• telling lies and inciting rage and rioting

I don't think there will be 'one nation' much longer. SNP and Plaid are on the rise. Our nations may prefer to leave the 'U'K

Edited typo

I voted Conservative all my life until Brexit and I am not sure I ever will again
My one hope is that all the far right racists continue to defect to Reform et al (I liked how KB handled Jenerick) and The Conservatives will once again become a party I can vote for
I broadly like Starmer and I really like Andy Burnham (who I have met a few times) but Labour don't seem to like people like me unfortunately

I tend to vote Labour or Lib Dem, however if it looked locally like Reform might oust our long standing Tory MP, I might be tempted to vote Tory under the grounds of “least bad option”. Reform came 3rd at last election here. But also last time, if every Labour voter had “loaned” their vote to LibDem (who came second), the sitting Tory MP would have lost.

What might make me actively pick Tory (rather than voting for them as a vote against Reform): admit Brexit was a huge mistake and vow to take us back in. Not the massive change as you’d think as many of the top brass of the Tories campaigned for remain. Make a clear statement that they were focussing on what was best for the UK economy, not playing internal politics. The Tories don’t feel like a “safe pair of hands” because they were prepared to put ideology around the EU above what was best for the country. Traditionally, it was the left who prioritised ideological positions over the economy /ordinary people’s lives, Tories need to go back to being the sensible ones.

Nothing. Im not a racist and don't think embracing facism would be good for our country.

I also think Kemi is about as much use as a chocolate teapot and as for the grifting leaders of the other two, they are out for themselves and fuck the country.

(Full disclosure: I am male and not even a UK voter)
What it would take:

• Value competence. UK "right of centre" parties chose loyalty and outward signs of belonging to a chosen class (and in the case of reform, worse criteria, e.g. name, "race", skin colour, religion...) over ability. A good example is how Boris Johnson handed PPE contracts on trust, to "the right sort", rather than through objective criteria.
• Focus on unity. Current conservative and reform parties exploit division -- age, social class, ethnic (migrant vs. UK born, and English vs. minority nations) while talking about union. There is a need to act to maintain the country's unity in deed, not in words. A good example of this is shown in Ireland, where unionist parties control decisions for a small minority (minority within NI and within the UK) while claiming to act for the country as a whole.
• Act in the long term. The above two stem from a mistaken belief that the political system will remain stable when a rent (in positions, money, or influence) is extracted from it. A good example is how the Brexit vote was triggered by MPs and ministers who believed it would provide them a political advantage, but did not factor the institutional changes that would result.
• Protect the institutions. the rule of law, the elected parliament, or the Union of the Kingdom are not God-given, physical laws of the universe that will remain however much they are undermined by poor government. Good examples are supporting a press that accuses judges to be enemies of the people, or underfunding police services while claiming to support law and order.

In other words, for me to vote for UK right-of-centre parties, they would have to be conservative, rather than the sick bunch of incompetent louts that plunder the country every time they can. Disraeli must be spinning in his grave like a propeller if he can hear parliament speeches.