If you wouldn’t usually vote Tory, Reform or any right of centre party, what could they do…

[CurlewKate]

to change your mind?

I would vote Tory to keep Reform/Restore out, can't think of any other reason at this time.

Exactly. I'd only vote Tory if I lived in a constituency where it was the only option for keeping Reform out.

Same.

Although reform are fast become tory due to the slime that's defected because they think it'll keep them in a seat/power

• implement a progressive fair taxation system
• protect the NHS
• better public spending on infrastructure and the social programs that have a long term pay of (eg early years intervention)
• not demonise people on benefits
• land tax?
• not blame all problems on specific groups (immigration, feminism, single mothers etc) or do that weird thing where they say two opposite things in one sentence and expect people not to notice.
• not spend so much time in other countries (chiefly the US) talking about how shit Britain is, how crime infested out cities are, how lazy our young people are etc etc.

The first ones, if they did them, would mean they aren't a right wing party anymore. Basically, the fact they are on the right probably means I won't agree with their core policies and that's fine. I'm not their target audience. I have friends who are traditionally to the right of me.and we both care about the country and people we know. We just have a different theory of what would make the country good. The last 2 points are the ones that really put me of the more recent iteration of the right. It's self serving and short term and harmful to the country. It's almost the opposite of conservatism at least the sort Edmund Burk would recognise. (That doesn't mean I want open borders or more migration,.just that the way they talk about it is awful.) I also don't see how constantly talking down the country abroad is going to help the economy. Especially when it's instead of holding constituency meetings, voting in parliament etc.

Oh and not take massive bribes would help.

Why are you asking @CurlewKate ? What's your stake in this question?

Absolutely nothing. They go against everything I believe in

I’m really thrown by this. Seems an unusual thread starter from an OP who I’ve seen time and time again on the left of any given thread.

The question makes no sense. People with left-wing views don’t vote for right-wing parties. The only way I would vote for them is if they moved to the left of Labour which feels unlikely….

Plans to boost the economy including skills for young people

Committing to alternative energy - realistically the UK has 3-5 years left of dinosaur juice unless it wants to invest £125 billion exploring oil/gas sources that are currently difficult/impossible to reach, or more than that speculating high risk areas. We have more coal but it will cost billions to restart and it is filthy stuff that can cause all sorts of health problems. Over half the UK’s energy is now produced by wind, solar, geothermal, etc. which is cheaper, cleaner (even if you don’t buy the net zero argument it’s hard to deny that cleaner air is better for you)

Admitting that Brexit has damaged the UK economy, that Boris Johnson’s deal sucked, and if
rejoining the EU is not on the cards, at least forming a better relationship with it to reduce red tape and costs of export.

For all parties: in order to stand for election for any tier of government you need to have lived/worked/been educated in the constituency/ward for at least four years. Every member must commit to holding face to face surgeries at least once a month in the local library.

Review what the NHS will and won’t do. There’s a difference between ‘need to have’ or you’ll die/be in terrible pain/wont be able to do your job or look after your family/have very poor quality of life, and ‘want to have’ - IVF/ gender reassignment/prescriptions for things like paracetamol. Shift further to preventative health messaging. Be clear with people what they can and can’t expect from the NHS. It should be free at the point of contact.

If you want more homegrown medical staff you need to rapidly expand university medical schools and make greater provision for accelerated medical degrees for people who already hold bioscience/biomed degrees.

I’ll never vote Reform. I used to work with conservative elected members and on the whole they were good people doing a tough job, and I could be persuaded, if I had to for strategic reasons, to vote Tory.

I don’t have a personal stake- nothing would induce me to vote for a right of centre party.It was idle curiosity in response to a thread asking the reverse question. And I don’t understand how anyone can be a floating voter if it means floating completely from the right to the left, not just floating a bit righter or lefter.

@CurlewKate What is your own answer to your question?

Fair enough.
I might vote Right if the party concerned demonstrated that they took global warming and the environmental crisis seriously and would prioritise them over everything else.
Seems unlikely though.

In my (limited) experience the people with the more extreme political stances are actually more likely to switch to the opposite end of the spectrum. I think some people are just attracted to the extreme as a personality trait, or are so disatisfied with normal politics and politicians that anything that is "change" is seen as preferable.

People are voting for Reform etc because they want quick fixes, they see no change in our roads, in dental, nhs waiting lists (regardless of the govt figures) cross channel migration....they want quick results.

We live in the age of instant gratification, coupled with the constant bombardment of the right wing media that is always criticising Labour, which they have done from day 1.

Labour and esp the Tories have shifted to the right but the further they go, the more they drive voters to Reform/Restore...

..... why vote for a copy when you can have the real thing?

Become more supportive of disabled people.

Sort out the nhs - at this point it needs stripping down and rebuilding.

Close the tax loopholes that allow billions to go unpaid by massive companies.

Make carers allowance an actual living wage because that would still be cheaper than social services having to take over and provide care and support!

Set fair rent prices.

Increase minimum wage to an actual living wage so that working people arent relying on uc top ups!

Negotiate with the eu so we can trade competitively. I realise we will never get back what we have before the stupidity that was brexit but there may be new deals to be made.

Stop sucking up to the USA and its dear leader, improve relations with other countries.

Take climate change seriously and make actual changes.

Make degrees in essential fields free. Go back to the days of the grants for careers we as a country really need.

Protect single sex spaces.

Actually take action on racism.

Bring back trade schools as an alternative to gcses/a levels for those people with different skill sets so they can excel in their field.

Introduce economics as a core subject from primary school. Overhaul education as a whole so that children are actually prepared for the world.

For a start.

Acknowledge that taxation is a positive thing as it helps to share the wealth and close the inequality gap. Close the gap between incomes as they do in Finland so the workers earn a fair relational proportion of what their bosses earn. Renationalise water.

Isn’t that what the left always do.

Is there some reason why she can't pose the question then?

Anyone wondering why I asked-see my post
of 6.31.

Is what what the left always do?

My honest answer to the original question is that I would have to be voting ‘against’ something I perceive as even worse. I have thought about this, and I would be prepared to vote conservative if they were neck and neck with reform, because reform are worse (more actively racist, misogynist and corrupt) than the Tories. Ditto with reform versus restore, although I genuinely would be looking at moving to Scotland if it got to that point. (And yes, yes I know the SNP are wankers — but nowhere near as scarily neofascist.)

I have solidly left wing family in a rural area. They will likely vote conservative if Reform stand as left wing parties are sooo small and it is the lesser of two evils

Nothing.
I MAY hold my nose and vote Conservative tactically, to keep Reform out, if it was called for.
But thankfully I don’t live in such an area.

I think in most cases the answer is to change your family and social network.

An individuals political stance is almost entirely a product of their environment rather than of any independent thought.

That applies to both sides of the political spectrum.