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Thread 50 Starmer : Το ταξίδι είναι η ανταμοιβή

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DuncinToffee · 26/05/2026 17:12

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PickAChew · 10/06/2026 09:47

One trend I've noticed, here and elsewhere, is for someone to make a lengthy and often reasonable sounding post about a situation, with the final paragraph or sentence being totally out there and sometimes horrific, sometimes only tenaciously connected to the rest of the post. Not everyone reads to the end when they're doomscrolling so they instantly get likes or up votes from the unwary.

Wow, just look at those people who support mass deportation or the overthrowing of parliament because of the price of cheese!

placemats · 10/06/2026 09:54

Thousands of Catholics were burnt out of their homes, predominantly in the 1970s, during the conflicts in Northern Ireland. This continues today, except it's immigrants who are targeted.

Can't imagine that those from the Catholic community would be complicit with what was witnessed last night.

Also the marching season starts soon - a demonstration of 'cultural heritage'.

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 09:55

Race based pogrom

Orchestrated from Russia by a far right thug.

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SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 10:00

PickAChew · 10/06/2026 09:47

One trend I've noticed, here and elsewhere, is for someone to make a lengthy and often reasonable sounding post about a situation, with the final paragraph or sentence being totally out there and sometimes horrific, sometimes only tenaciously connected to the rest of the post. Not everyone reads to the end when they're doomscrolling so they instantly get likes or up votes from the unwary.

Wow, just look at those people who support mass deportation or the overthrowing of parliament because of the price of cheese!

It's how AI learns.

Of course a new - and as yet unnamed and undescribed phenomena - is the less bright humans in society starting to copy the way "AI" writes because they think it's clever. A trend I hope really takes off, as it will make eliminating low quality content a lot easier.

(Think of how Tony Hancock tried to sound clever. "Magna Carta ! Did she die in vain ?")

A bot writes :

Yes. If this turns out to be a durable social trend, it probably deserves its own name.
What's interesting is that the flow may have reversed. Early concerns were about AI learning human language. Now there is evidence that humans are starting to adopt language patterns associated with AI systems. One recent study found measurable increases in the use of words and expressions strongly associated with ChatGPT after its release, suggesting that people are beginning to imitate LLM-influenced language. (arXiv)
The phenomenon you're describing is slightly narrower, though. Not "people using AI," but people deliberately or unconsciously adopting the prestige style of AI writing because it sounds intelligent, authoritative, or polished.
Some common markers might be:

  • Excessive structuring ("Here are three key reasons...")
  • Formulaic transitions ("It's important to note that...")
  • Artificial balance ("On the one hand... on the other hand...")
  • Generic confidence without specific insight
  • The "consultant voice" of tidy abstraction
  • Overuse of em dashes, bullet points, and summary conclusions
What's notable is that these patterns were originally learned by AI from humans, then amplified by AI, and may now be feeding back into human communication. Researchers and ordinary users have both begun commenting on exactly this kind of linguistic convergence. (EurekAlert!) If it eventually gets a formal name, I suspect it will be something like:
  • LLM convergence — human writing converging on machine-generated norms.
  • Synthetic prestige dialect — a status-associated style originating from AI outputs.
  • Algorithmic register — a new register of language optimized for sounding competent rather than expressing individual voice.
  • AIlect (AI + dialect) — the internet will almost certainly invent something shorter and uglier than academics do.
The broader concern is not that people write like machines, but that linguistic diversity gets compressed. If millions of people learn from the same few models, individual quirks, regional styles, and idiosyncratic voices may gradually be replaced by a common "AI-flavored" prose. That's a possibility some researchers have already raised. (arXiv) In that sense, the phenomenon isn't AI becoming human-like. It's humans becoming statistically average.
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Empirical evidence of Large Language Model's influence on human spoken communication

From the invention of writing and the printing press, to television and social media, human history is punctuated by major innovations in communication technology, which fundamentally altered how ideas spread and reshaped our culture. Recent chatbots p...

https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.01754?utm_source=chatgpt.com

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 10:08

Disorder in Belfast ‘stoked by those who would struggle to find the city on a map’

“What distresses and disturbs me is there are those that prior to yesterday would have struggled to find Belfast on a map, who are online, who are sharing incitement and encouragement for people and weaponising the fear that people genuinely have about what happened to try and turn this into some kind of anti-immigration issue or a racist protest"

Including many on MN.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/10/belfast-riots-fuelled-by-online-commentators-northern-ireland-justice-minister

MsJinks · 10/06/2026 10:14

@SerendipityJane- I have already been told I may look like AI - due to my excessive (but natural to my stream of consciousness) writing!

AI such as Gemini is literally designed to be a cheerleader on your opinions. I have tried to use Gemini occasionally, some things can be useful - however, it still can give incorrect information- it blatantly mimics and finds what it believes would be your preferred slant.

I am consistently reminded of GIGO - Garbage In Garbage Out for those that aren’t old enough to recall earlier days of computing!

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 10:14

And don't call them racist.

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PickAChew · 10/06/2026 10:14

And yet MNHQ insist we don't have any bots, machine or human, here.

A MN variation is of the phenomenon is in AIBU.

Lengthy discussion of the ever-rising price of cheese, noting how a once cheap staple is becoming unaffordable for many. In the above format so sounding quite pompous but not saying anything controversial.

Then dictated options that make little sense: IABU cheese is so expensive these days.
IANBU people who can't afford cheese are work shy freeloaders who need to be forced into national service.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 10:19

And yet MNHQ insist we don't have any bots, machine or human, here.

Which is what a bot would say .

Thinking MN is here to facilitate mothers and parents to help each other is a little like thinking that Apple are here to make phones. Which is missing the point by miles.

placemats · 10/06/2026 10:50

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 10:14

And don't call them racist.

Because if you do it becomes meaningless and makes you feel morally superior - I don't understand that 'logic'.

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2026 11:01

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 09:55

Race based pogrom

Orchestrated from Russia by a far right thug.

Edited

Yaxley Lennon is attending an economic conference in Russia - presumably because he's known for his economic expertise. Ditto Musk snr.
And Andrew Tate also happens to be in Russia at the moment.
All as the guests of Russia/Putin.

Amazing how the far right are drawn to Putin and his money.
Fuck knows why any woman on Mumsnet support them.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 11:02

placemats · 10/06/2026 10:50

Because if you do it becomes meaningless and makes you feel morally superior - I don't understand that 'logic'.

Not being a cunt is the floor, not bar.

MsJinks · 10/06/2026 11:02

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2026 11:01

Yaxley Lennon is attending an economic conference in Russia - presumably because he's known for his economic expertise. Ditto Musk snr.
And Andrew Tate also happens to be in Russia at the moment.
All as the guests of Russia/Putin.

Amazing how the far right are drawn to Putin and his money.
Fuck knows why any woman on Mumsnet support them.

Unbelievable but some do.

I’m interested in how these 3 wise men were permitted entry into Russia.

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 11:06

Tricky Dicky is holding a press conference. Farage still in hiding.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 11:09

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 11:06

Tricky Dicky is holding a press conference. Farage still in hiding.

Well you know what they say

Thread 50 Starmer : Το ταξίδι είναι η ανταμοιβή
cardibach · 10/06/2026 11:09

PickAChew · 10/06/2026 08:56

Am I permitted to say that I am both horrified by the terrifying attack on that poor man AND horrified by masked men setting light to houses with people in them?

Most reasonable people feel exactly the same, @Notonthestairs

Absolutely. But express horror at the rioting and you immediately get ‘but what about the attack, do you have feelings about that?’ - even if you’ve expressed them in earlier posts.

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2026 11:20

Setting light to property and throwing projectiles isn't a protest.
It's a riot.
They aren't protesting, they are rioting.

I noticed that another of the rioters from last week was jailed this week.
Not surprised to read that he had a previous list of criminal convictions and took a samurai sword to a riot supposedly about knife violence.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 11:24

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2026 11:20

Setting light to property and throwing projectiles isn't a protest.
It's a riot.
They aren't protesting, they are rioting.

I noticed that another of the rioters from last week was jailed this week.
Not surprised to read that he had a previous list of criminal convictions and took a samurai sword to a riot supposedly about knife violence.

The #FarageRiots have come early this year

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 11:30

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 11:24

The #FarageRiots have come early this year

👆Nomination for new thread title. In Russian.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2026 11:37

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 11:30

👆Nomination for new thread title. In Russian.

В этом году беспорядки, связанные с делом Фараджа, начались раньше обычного.

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 11:38

Sorry Temperance but that will not happen.

I know it is said in jest but imagine the posters that will attract

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BIossomtoes · 10/06/2026 11:46

The less controversial the better at the moment unless we want an influx of the unfashionable.

TemperanceWest · 10/06/2026 11:48

☹️

PickAChew · 10/06/2026 11:49

It's an enjoyable thought, though.

A reform councillor in Cornwall is questioning efforts to keep the Cornish language alive. Maybe that's one for the next thread.

Reform councillor questions Cornish language demand - BBC News https://share.google/uqMAmMAZvcDefsu8A

The St Piran's flag - the flag of Cornwall - with a dark blue background and white cross, is seen blowing in the wind

Reform councillor questions Cornish language demand

The strategy to boost written, heard and learnt Cornish was debated at a meeting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e2l0r85x0o

DuncinToffee · 10/06/2026 11:49

The Southampton Farage rioters are being sentenced today, will Wally appear at PMQs?

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