Anyone else worried about Andes virus transmission after the cruise ship cases?

[BabyWally]

Hantavirus is on a cruise ship. Where you get that from rodent droppings. There's a subnet of that virus and it's called Andesvirus and apparently that is human to human transmission.

Anyone else worried about the possibilty of that virus getting out of hand and the possibilty of a Panasonic this year?

There's no wat that virus is contained on the ship any more because one of the people who died travelled on a plane while ill and died in an airport.

That virus is travelling the world in many people right now but we won't know the extent of it yet because the incubation period can be so long 1-8 weeks apparently to show symptoms.

My issue is that I learned from covid that nobody cares when they are ill and showing symptoms of illness or sickness, it doesn't have to be covid, it's everything, it could be norovirus and people just pass it on as a fact of life and a badge of honour.

Many people are just not able to reflect when they are ill and just minimising passing on whatever they have.

There's the world cup in the summer time too and that will bring many people together.

Does anyone know if people are infectious with Andesvirus during incubation and before symptoms appear? Because if that's the case, we are f*cked.

However, the case fatality rate from infection is high, about 40%.

OP, get off the internet, turn off the telly and find something useful to do. Sitting catastrophising and winding yourself up over something that's not a huge risk to you isn't good for you.

I just read that from Tenerife, the cruise tourists are being sent home to isolate.

what on earth is the point of flying home from Tenerife only then to isolate? Common sense surely dictates they need to isolate at least locally?!

They are all on the same ship. It’s a rodent virus. Food and drink stores loaded will be contaminated with rat pee and poo. Poor food hygiene allows anyone on board to contract a virus carried by rats.

Fresh water tanks onboard may be contaminated so anyone using the fresh water can become infected.

Rat infestation on board will contaminate surfaces. Passengers and crew touch surfaces and are infected with virus.

Onboard swimming pool used by rats at night. The water becomes contaminated.

There are so many ways that passengers and crew can contract the infection easily without human to human contact. But once a human is infected then anyone sharing a small cabin/bed/bathroom is at risk of human to human transfer. Unless it’s a swingers cruise then it would be easy to contain but at the same time if the kitchen is the source it will spread like wildfire.

They don't believe it came from the ship. They think the Dutch couple who died brought it on board after catching it while viewing birdlife at a rubbish dump.

I completely get what you're saying, but for up to eight weeks?! Not sure that would be practical. I think also each country is responsible for its own people so each will have their own regulations.

Damage limitation for the cruise company. The cost of compensation would be rather high if it can be traced to food hygiene or poor storage at suppliers.

I don't like that. We are relying on those people to do the right thing and to isolate and or seek medical help if they develop symptoms.

I know from online, there's a french person who was on the plane with the lady who became ill and died.

There's no way people will be able to isolate themselves for up to 8 weeks in case they develop symptoms.

I hate to say this but one positive of what the timelines are is that people get symptoms and are dead within days so that will help in that there's less chance to walk around and spread it to more and more people like covid.

I am so deflated really after covid from people's bad manners. I know one person who went to a concert and came into work sick and swore blind he was asymptomatic without covid and passed it around and claimed I got covid from the wind.

I just hope to god, that hanta virus does not get out of hand. That's all.

They won't get to Tenerife for a few days and government hasn't said what is happening about them getting home yet from there.

I know one person who went to a concert and came into work sick and swore blind he was asymptomatic without covid and passed it around and claimed I got covid from the wind.

What does asymptomatic without Covid mean? You mean he was sick but tested negative? Because asymptomatic means not sick but you said he was sick.

Government will probably have to send a plane because if they are supposed to isolate, no point in that if they get on the normal flights. What happened to those Covid isolation hotels.

He was very much sick. He was full of congestion and sinus issues. This is from someone who in the years I have known him never suffered from hay fever. Not one. He was very much sick but he was claiming he was asymptomatic. Then when I got sick a week later, he shrugged it off and claimed it's everywhere and I could she got it from anywhere. Even though I only really go to work and to phone more often than not. My only exposure was from that situation.

I believe from the WHO statement they are still sort of coming up with the procedure for this situation.

But the Canary island authorities have said that no one will get off the boat until there is a plane arranged, they’ll be transferred in isolation straight to the plane, and have no contact with the public.

There should be docking at a government/military area in Tenerife, not the passenger port and be kept there until picked up.

Spain will pick their citizens by military airplane and quarantine them at military hospital in Madrid area.

I guess the people currently on the boat will be dealt with correctly.

The 20 something which get out at Saint Helena island and traveled on their own through south Africa are the more probable source of problem here.

I see one of the Brits on there has escaped, not from the boat, when it landed and some of them got off in April, they fled

Not at all, and we will still be going on a cruise in September.

Damage limitation for the cruise company. The cost of compensation would be rather high if it can be traced to food hygiene or poor storage at suppliers.

No, it's been investigated. The birdwatching outing is the suspected source.

Edit: quoted myself first by mistake!

From the BBC:

"Health authorities are racing to trace dozens of people who disembarked from the hantavirus-hit cruise ship on St Helena in the South Atlantic. The ship's operator said 29 passengers, of at least 12 different nationalities, left the MV Hondius on 24 April. The Dutch government gave a different figure of 40."

With an incubation period 6 weeks, it's not exactly a reassuring scenario.

Also from the BBC: "Dr Tedros says investigations into the course of the outbreak are still under way.

The first two cases "travelled through Argentina, Chile and Uruguay on a bird-watching trip which included visits to sites where the species of rat known to carry the virus was present," he says.

The WHO is working with authorities in Argentina to understand the couple's movements, he adds."

I read about that he was sat 2 rows behind the infected person!

I’m in the keeping an eye on it camp!

I’m glad they treated it seriously when they took the people off the boat and didn’t just disembark them into a busy terminal!

That's a worry if true. So much for me scoffing at the beginning of the thread. Ds is worried about this and still think I'm only going to worry if highly transmissible and highly lethal. I'm not panicking until H5N1 spreads human to human.

I'd be interested to hear what kind of contact those currently infected had had with eachother.

Have you got a link to an article about the person who caught it from the plane? I can only find 2 articles in The Sun. One from a week ago saying the person has it and one from yesterday saying it’s a possible case only. You’d think that would be big news and other places would cover it? I just can’t find it anywhere else though. The Sun doesn’t seem to know if it’s been confirmed or not by those two articles.

I agree about trusting people to self isolate they can't help themselves even on the bus there are pics of a man with his mask down .

Look at the new born babies and I'll realatives threads people can't even stop themselves from breathing into new Born's faces when ill.

It's the long incubation period that's the worry .

I agree. How do you catch something that is transmitted through "close contact" 2 rows away on a plane?!

I asked this just unthread but no one replied. Do you have a link to an article about this person? Where is everyone reading it? All I can find is an article from the Sun a week ago saying person caught it then one yesterday saying the person might have caught it. I can’t find any other news place reporting it other than those two articles in the Sun. I’d really like to actually find out information as well but no one is reporting on it?