Break a woman’s spine with a sledge hammer on video and….

[noblegiraffe]

Despite you obviously doing it and the video being available for everyone to watch, the jury will be unable to reach a verdict as to whether you did it or not.

Whatever your opinion on Palestine, this should be absolutely shocking. That poor woman was just doing her job.

Honestly, when they talk about getting rid of trial by jury, this sort of thing goes a long way to convincing me that it’ll be no loss.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-jury-finds-pro-palestinian-activists-who-stormed-elbit-factory-not-guilty/amp/

I’d love to see the pro Palestine supporters go out and live in Palestine and see how long they last living there under that regime..

No, it's not

That poster has not expressed her opinion either way

I have expressed mine but she has been very careful to focus on points of law.

why do you think she hasn't been neutral?

hopefully, I haven't waded into one of those situations where posters all know each other. I'm not familiar with this poster. Or you.

The law is supposed to be neutral. That is why I would like a neutral explanation. I'm aware that my strong feelings might get in the way.

I'm a solicitor and that poster has absolutely no knowledge of the law and/pr criminal procedure and is anything but "neutral".

We're talking about XDownwiththissortofthingX? What is she wrong about and what is her bias?

I have literally quoted your post where you said Because of the simple fact there are mechanisms and procedures in place to deal with obvious miscarriages of justice . My response was to tell you that legally and procedurally, you are completely wrong.

Again, you appear to be oblivious to the fact that retrial after the emergence of new evidence is itself one of these mechanisms.

Well, the jury saw and heard all the evidence and none of us did at the end of the day

Ok. So let's say you're on trial for a crime you didn't commit. The jury flipped a coin and found you guilty (actually happened in a real life case). No new evidence comes to light that hasn't already been presented to the jury. 🤷‍♀️ What then?

This is a form of juror misconduct, grounds for an appeal on the basis the conviction is unsafe, and your legal team should be going straight to the CoA.

You claim to be a solicitor, but you have no knowledge of the Criminal Law Act 1967, which permits the use of reasonable force where and when you believe a crime is being committed, such as an assault on a third party, instead you keep referring to "self-defence", which nobody has asserted is in play here. You have no knowledge of The Criminal Appeal Act 1968, which covers your scenario whereby a jury is guilty of intransigence, and you also apparently believe that showing grainy and unclear footage in court should lead to a conviction of GBH, with no consideration at all given to any other factor or circumstance, and even when the defence is not actually disputing the assertion that someone was hit with a sledgehammer to their injury.

This is all rather concerning.

The Pro-Palestine movement seems to be infested with hateful half wits who think they’re above the law, above having to not be hateful and that as long as they say “Palestine” they can justify any of their actions or words.

The jury outcomes are very depressing and I do think that we will look back on this time with extreme shame

An utter disgrace. Quite unbelievable really.

I hate to say it but l agree. A friend of mine was on a jury years ago, he couldn’t believe how many people said not guilty despite the offence being clearly caught on CCTV. A big part of the logic was people saying “well, l wasn’t there…”

Please could you tell me what you think about this case and the GBH charge in particular? Thank you.

I have to say I think MSM and especially the BBC have to shoulder responsibility for how we have got to this, they are SO anti Israel (I’m very annoyed that I have to turn to the Torygraph just to read some fair articles about Israel and Jews)

They are part of the problem, as are the MPs who spend all their time on Palestine and actually the people who voted for them. I’d be FURIOUS if my elected MP spent more time trying trying to fix problems happening half way across the world and not in the constituency they’re supposed to take care of.

I have to ask…how do you expect the police to respond to a burglary where the criminals aren’t complying? Stand and ask nicely?

what part of “reasonable force” is smashing someone’s spine with a sledge hammer?

We need to stop the insidious spread of anti west propaganda in our schools, universities, government, media and institutions.

Absolutely spot on
Have you read Douglas Murray’s book War on the West?

They’re more likely to be thick as pig shit though. And more likely to be prejudiced.

I don’t think juries are any longer compatible with the modern world where hatred, cancelling someone because they disagree with you on one subject, and being able to hand out insults without consequence, thrives.

Other countries have juries but do it differently, and they are overseen by professionals. We MUST overhaul this, because it isn’t just this case - rape has a so depressingly low conviction rate and you can bet your bottom dollar that in a group of 12 randoms, you’ve got AT LEAST one misogynist

On Count 4: GBH with intent (Samuel Corner only) the first question the jury was required to consider was whether he was acting in lawful defence of another. If he was, they were instructed to return a not guilty verdict.

https://realmedia.press/filton-case-route-to-verdict-1/

The jury may have been split on this issue and/or on one or more of the subsequent questions which would determine whether it was GBH, ABH or GBH with intent.

What I can't quite understand is that these were violent thugs being arrested, and making it very difficult for the police to do so.

How can it possibly be allowable to break a police officer's spine with a sledgehammer because you were 'defending' someone else who the police were trying to arrest?

How are police officers supposed to arrest anyone if it means a free-for-all on the police in retaliation?

What do you expect security or police to do when burglars with weapons won’t stop burgling? Stand and watch? Wait until they’re attacked before responding?

How about don’t ram a prison van into a building to burgle it, then be really surprised someone whose job it is to stop you, stops you.

Why some people at talking as if the cretins fromPA were just walking down the street is beyond me and just affirms my belief that Pro-Pals think they’re above the law

Exactly!

My DD really wants to be a police officer and I pray to god she changes her mind. The total disdain people have for the police (and yes I know there’s problems but officers still deserve not to have their spines broken whilst at work) and adoration for sledgehammer wielding thugs is terrifying

If you use the magical word of “Palestine” and “dead babies” then you win ANY argument donchanow

It’s terrifying @FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods and the almost smug “eh yeah but like the police arresting them made them scared so legally they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT in response” wonder what their supporters would say if the police on seeing their colleague assaulted with a sledge hammer reciprocated with similar violence to the protesters and smashed them in the head, you know, in their friends defence…

Have just done an AS on a few of the people on this thread defending this decision, along with the keyword “Jew”

Very interesting is all I’ll say