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CurlewKate · 25/01/2026 16:24

What specifically is it that makes people think he would be a good leader of the Labour Party or Prime Minister? Actual practical reasons. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be-and I like the fact that he’s on the Left and he has an appealing way with him. But apart from that, what would he bring to the job? Not being Kier Starmer doesn’t count!

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RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 12:36

no idea why people think he would appeal to Labour voters that have gone over to Reform on the basis that he appeals to parliamentarians left of Starmer on the Labour party. Surely, where's the crossover, in terms of values, there?

You assume a few things here.

That people are intending to vote FOR Reform rather than AGAINST the current government. This is significant.

We've seen this dynamic before. May was deeply unpopular and only narrowly avoided defeat at election. But only a couple of years later Johnson completely turned that around on the basis of presenting himself as different to the May government even though they were the same party.

Johnson's election manifesto was hugely popular in Manchester and the North in general. He got over the line on the basis of the old UKIP/Labour voters. Yet this manifesto was completely ripped off from Burnham. So to say there's no overlap is to not understand the complexity of British politics and the prevailing winds and narratives of FOR and AGAINST.

People vote on Personality, Politics (Policy) and Party.

For a long time Party tended to be the dominant force. Then Brexit happened and turned that on it's head. There was a brief moment of policy being most important before Personality has really become the driving force (for and against) within British politics. We see it with Farage, with Polanski, with Johnson.

Burnham is another of these figures. Weirdly no one voted FOR Starmer and that's always been one of his biggest issues. He was unpopular before he started as PM on a personal level. People instead voted AGAINST Johnson even though those same people had really liked his manifesto and those people are now your core Reform type voters.

So there's actually MASSIVE overlap. The issue is that policy, party and politics don't line up perfectly in the way we think.

Mischance · 26/01/2026 12:36

Lobbygobbler · 26/01/2026 11:09

Why? Because Starmer is from London?

What has being from London got to do with it? Good statesmen/women can come from anywhere. Where do you get the idea that they cannot? Very strange!

CurlewKate · 26/01/2026 12:37

ginasevern · 26/01/2026 12:07

I know you said "not being Starmer" doesn't count but rightly or wrongly people definitely vote for personalities - they really do. Starmer hasn't got the star quality that people want in a leader. Look at the utter crap fest that was Boris Johnson, and yet still people would vote him in given half a chance because he "made them laugh". Nigel Farage is seen as "one of us" because he's pictured holding a pint of beer etc etc. I think Andy Burnham has a winning personality and that's important to any political party.

Yep-I agree! I was trying to dig out some real substantive reasons - but sadly I don’t think there are any. It always amuses me that people who are opposed to career politicians and the Oxbridge tendency love him while hating the proper working class pulled herself up by her own bootstraps Rayner!

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JennyForeigner · 26/01/2026 12:38

Prince over the water. He'll look shiny until the moment he has to govern, at which point the shine will wear right off.

I've no time for him. The world order is failing, people are being murdered in the streets in the US and the one thing we have got going for us is that Starmer is a strategic, safe pair of hands and expert at working with Macron and co to manage Trump.

The one thing Andy Burnham could do now that would impress me would be to say 'this is not the time for anything but Labour to be fully behind our leader and I'm here to do anything I can do help.'

That he can't or won't do it tells you a lot about his character imho. It's all about Andy Burnham with Andy Burnham.

Moonmelodies · 26/01/2026 12:40

If he's such a popular down-to-earth guy whose passion is serving the community and representing their interests, why does he not stand as an independent? Surely Sir Keir can't block him from that.

Mischance · 26/01/2026 12:41

JennyForeigner · 26/01/2026 12:38

Prince over the water. He'll look shiny until the moment he has to govern, at which point the shine will wear right off.

I've no time for him. The world order is failing, people are being murdered in the streets in the US and the one thing we have got going for us is that Starmer is a strategic, safe pair of hands and expert at working with Macron and co to manage Trump.

The one thing Andy Burnham could do now that would impress me would be to say 'this is not the time for anything but Labour to be fully behind our leader and I'm here to do anything I can do help.'

That he can't or won't do it tells you a lot about his character imho. It's all about Andy Burnham with Andy Burnham.

Exactly.

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 12:42

My closest friends share reasonably similar world views and politics. I'm fairly sure between us we voted four different ways during the last election due to which of the three Ps we voted for or against.

It reflects the fact that none of the major parties actually match where the public are on the political compass so you get some really fucking weird results.

SpringIsCome · 26/01/2026 12:43

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Motnight · 26/01/2026 12:47

MostlyGhostly · 26/01/2026 11:16

For me, it is that he listened when he got booed about Hillsborough, didn’t act with contempt towards or dismiss those booing, realised the victims had been failed and did something about it. Listening to ordinary people, acknowledging mistakes and taking action as a result is far too uncommon in British politics. I’ve been impressed with him ever since.

I agree with this.

WMW · 26/01/2026 12:51

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I forgot the George Galloway and Your Party issues. When it comes to attitudes like this, they would have mopped up some votes as well.

RainbowBagels · 26/01/2026 12:54

Moonmelodies · 26/01/2026 12:40

If he's such a popular down-to-earth guy whose passion is serving the community and representing their interests, why does he not stand as an independent? Surely Sir Keir can't block him from that.

He doesn't want to be an independent MP. He doesn't want to be a backbench MP. He wants to be Leader of the Labour Party and PM. He wouldnt stand down an Mayor of Manchester to sit there as a backbench Independent MP. What would be the point?

OVienna · 26/01/2026 12:57

JennyForeigner · 26/01/2026 12:38

Prince over the water. He'll look shiny until the moment he has to govern, at which point the shine will wear right off.

I've no time for him. The world order is failing, people are being murdered in the streets in the US and the one thing we have got going for us is that Starmer is a strategic, safe pair of hands and expert at working with Macron and co to manage Trump.

The one thing Andy Burnham could do now that would impress me would be to say 'this is not the time for anything but Labour to be fully behind our leader and I'm here to do anything I can do help.'

That he can't or won't do it tells you a lot about his character imho. It's all about Andy Burnham with Andy Burnham.

This x100000

Badacrowe · 26/01/2026 13:07

JennyForeigner · 26/01/2026 12:38

Prince over the water. He'll look shiny until the moment he has to govern, at which point the shine will wear right off.

I've no time for him. The world order is failing, people are being murdered in the streets in the US and the one thing we have got going for us is that Starmer is a strategic, safe pair of hands and expert at working with Macron and co to manage Trump.

The one thing Andy Burnham could do now that would impress me would be to say 'this is not the time for anything but Labour to be fully behind our leader and I'm here to do anything I can do help.'

That he can't or won't do it tells you a lot about his character imho. It's all about Andy Burnham with Andy Burnham.

I also agree with this. Not to have put himself forward would have been smarter for everyone. His time to go for a seat (and a hat trick of leader bids) will come. Keep your promised commitment to the mayoral role!

I like AB, always have, but didn’t he gain a bit of a reputation for being a bit of a political weather vane, same sort of accusations of flip flopping that Starmer gets now.

I think it was a huge mistake on ABs part, and one which probably won’t serve him well in the long run.

I also agree with a PP who said that these internal fights re party leadership should not be allowed except outside an election or for something unavoidable like health. It’s just taking time from the role that all MPs are paid and were elected for. Sick of it to be honest! Same as defections mid term should trigger by elections.

WMW · 26/01/2026 13:10

Badacrowe · 26/01/2026 13:07

I also agree with this. Not to have put himself forward would have been smarter for everyone. His time to go for a seat (and a hat trick of leader bids) will come. Keep your promised commitment to the mayoral role!

I like AB, always have, but didn’t he gain a bit of a reputation for being a bit of a political weather vane, same sort of accusations of flip flopping that Starmer gets now.

I think it was a huge mistake on ABs part, and one which probably won’t serve him well in the long run.

I also agree with a PP who said that these internal fights re party leadership should not be allowed except outside an election or for something unavoidable like health. It’s just taking time from the role that all MPs are paid and were elected for. Sick of it to be honest! Same as defections mid term should trigger by elections.

Burnham's problem isn't Starmer, it's Streeting. And the longer Streeting is in place, and Burnham isn't, the more likely Streeting can become Leader.

rrrrrreatt · 26/01/2026 13:21

Lobbygobbler · 26/01/2026 11:18

Yes, his support for the victims of Hillsborough has been impressive. He hasn’t given up on them.

He also campaigned for years for those affected by the infected blood scandal, his final speech in parliament as a debate on the topic. I like him because he seems to genuinely care about the average person.

His proposals for improved public transport (extending the metro link, the tram trains and the northern powerhouse rail), capped bus fares and the bee network, a bed every night, the good landlord charter and the funds for community projects (nature, health, etc) are all good examples of policies that do just that.

MsGreying · 26/01/2026 13:25

Hazlenuts2016 · 25/01/2026 20:53

He comes across as being more human than most politicians. Less polished, more real.

The faux nonsense outside the library in Manchester during Covid was pure theatre.

Hazlenuts2016 · 26/01/2026 13:31

@MsGreying seemed entirely genuine to me. I don't think it went down well with everyone, and some people would have been put off by it, but maybe they prefer their politicians with a side order of repressed emotion.

placemats · 26/01/2026 13:46

WMW · 26/01/2026 13:10

Burnham's problem isn't Starmer, it's Streeting. And the longer Streeting is in place, and Burnham isn't, the more likely Streeting can become Leader.

The final vote is up to the members. As it is with nearly all parliamentary parties - Reform being the exception.

Igmum · 26/01/2026 13:47

I live in Manchester so have seen this first hand. I like his policies on transport and homelessness, he’s trying (less effectively) with his charters, but for me the fundamental issue is his misogyny. Andy B as PM won’t be good news for women. I wouldn’t vote for him.

WMW · 26/01/2026 13:50

placemats · 26/01/2026 13:46

The final vote is up to the members. As it is with nearly all parliamentary parties - Reform being the exception.

Yes. But if Burnham isn't an MP, then Burnham can't be in the vote. His problem is Streeting's strengthening position. Which is why I think he applied to stand in this seat - he's running out of time, and opportunities.

Erin1975 · 26/01/2026 13:52

I like Andy Birnham a lot but I don't think he is the right person to be PM right now. A lot of the calls for him to challenge KS come from people on the left of the Labour party who are fed up that the current government is leanng ever further to the right and isn't implimenting dramatic changes.

Birnham's political leanings are more to the left than KS but, if he became PM, he would find his hands tied by the financial position we are in and the fact that all the major parties are having to deal with the mood of the electorate as a whole moving ever further right.

better that he remains Mayor as he can actually make some real changes at that level.

Happyher · 26/01/2026 13:54

I just think he’d be a bit of a joke on the world stage. He’s too like Boris Johnson, needing to be liked, wanting to be ‘one of the lads’ and arrogant. He has no humility

Lobbygobbler · 26/01/2026 14:11

I can’t see how he has ever acted in a way which is similar to Boris Johnson. I wish people would be honest and just admit they don’t want a northerner as PM.

OVienna · 26/01/2026 14:23

Lobbygobbler · 26/01/2026 14:11

I can’t see how he has ever acted in a way which is similar to Boris Johnson. I wish people would be honest and just admit they don’t want a northerner as PM.

I'm not sure who you mean about 'people' - is it lifelong Labour party supporters who prefer one of the stereotypical 'London elite insiders' who you think wouldn't back him?

Because for a floating voter like me, given the positive dearth of quality politicians about, it seems nonsensical anyone would rule someone out on the basis of them being 'from the north.'

That said, Burnham does come across (to someone who is not a party member) as someone whose experience is primarily navigating and building relationships internally to the Labour party as well as highly regional.

This is possibly unfair though and tbh would also apply to politicians from other regions. But he's not someone I'd peg as the right person based on his previous experience to deal with the international issues we face atm.

Lobbygobbler · 26/01/2026 14:27

Yes @OVienna There is a fair amount of unconscious bias in yours and other people’s posts.

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