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BustingBaoBun · 26/01/2026 22:32

I have just read but there is body cam footage from the ICE rabble, not released yet but that will make interesting viewing

persephonia · 26/01/2026 22:36

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 26/01/2026 22:25

I’ve been dipping in and out of the news today as I’ve been finding it even more overwhelmingly sad than usual, but I’m sure I saw somewhere that Trump was finally going to have to back down on Minnesota as he had gone too far for even the most gun-toting of MAGAts. Was it here? I can’t find it again, annoyingly. I also thought I saw a statement from the four living past presidents saying this must stop, but I can’t find that, either. Probably all wishful thinking. What I did see was the shameful behaviour this evening, of Mark Rutte saying NATO can’t survive without the US. Bollocks to that and him. He’s enabling Trump. There are suggestions he should be replaced as head of NATO and I must say, I agree.

It's nuclear weapons. If the EU wants nuclear weapons it cant do that without every country committing at lot- according to Rutte at least 10% of their GDP. Currently it doesn't feel existential enough to most people to justify it. So, because Frances nuclear stock is quite small and the UKs is meshed with the US we continue to rely on America.

I think he's setting the stage for an argument that may be made further down the line that Europe needs to do this. Other countries in other parts of the world will likely be making similar calculations in the next 30 years.

Aaargh.

persephonia · 26/01/2026 22:40

Arguably America and Russia caused this problem in the first place with their arms race that has left them both with world destroying stockpiles. And leaders of both countries are each, in their own special way, ripping up the dubious stability of the old world order they created (MAD logics). So quite likely lots of countries will now spend money that could be spent on elderly care, children, health on weapons that can destroy the whole world because now it's necessary to survival.
Twats.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 26/01/2026 22:43

Thank you, @persephonia. Of course. Cockwombles they are, indeed.

LlttledrummergirI · 26/01/2026 22:43

I've just caught the end of one life. Today I am definitely feeling emotional.

Spandauer · 26/01/2026 23:10

They're definitely rattled by killing murder of Alex Pretti.

White House Wobbles, Distancing Trump From Initial Response to Minnesota Killing
Officials clearly understood that the fatal shooting of a demonstrator posed one of the gravest political threats to President Trump since his inauguration.

...Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, notably did not defend the rhetoric of White House officials, including Stephen Miller, the deputy chief of staff, and Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, who were the most vocal in spreading false accusations against the victim, Alex Pretti.

...“This has obviously been a very fluid and fast-moving situation throughout the weekend,” Ms. Leavitt said. “As for President Trump, whom I speak for, he has said that he wants to let the investigation continue and let the facts lead in this case.”

...In his latest pivot, Mr. Trump moved from castigating Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota as a cause of the violence in Minneapolis and declared that, in a call, they “seemed to be on a similar wavelength.”
Mr. Trump said on social media that Mr. Walz was “happy that Tom Homan was going to Minnesota.” Mr. Trump announced earlier in the day that Mr. Homan would be his personal representative overseeing ICE operations in the state.
It was a sharp contrast from his weekend pronunciations, in which the president blamed Mr. Walz and other Minnesota Democrats for Mr. Pretti’s death. (NYT)

And rumours now that Nazi cosplayer Bovino will be the fall guy.

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LlttledrummergirI · 26/01/2026 23:14

Kwn cuccinelli on Newsnight is an absolute knob. The new narrative is "judge it in the moment not with hindsight"

Fuck off. Even in the moment Alex did not brandish a gun and was unarmed when they executed him.

LlttledrummergirI · 26/01/2026 23:29

Kwn- Ken

placemats · 27/01/2026 00:06

Spandauer · 26/01/2026 23:10

They're definitely rattled by killing murder of Alex Pretti.

White House Wobbles, Distancing Trump From Initial Response to Minnesota Killing
Officials clearly understood that the fatal shooting of a demonstrator posed one of the gravest political threats to President Trump since his inauguration.

...Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, notably did not defend the rhetoric of White House officials, including Stephen Miller, the deputy chief of staff, and Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, who were the most vocal in spreading false accusations against the victim, Alex Pretti.

...“This has obviously been a very fluid and fast-moving situation throughout the weekend,” Ms. Leavitt said. “As for President Trump, whom I speak for, he has said that he wants to let the investigation continue and let the facts lead in this case.”

...In his latest pivot, Mr. Trump moved from castigating Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota as a cause of the violence in Minneapolis and declared that, in a call, they “seemed to be on a similar wavelength.”
Mr. Trump said on social media that Mr. Walz was “happy that Tom Homan was going to Minnesota.” Mr. Trump announced earlier in the day that Mr. Homan would be his personal representative overseeing ICE operations in the state.
It was a sharp contrast from his weekend pronunciations, in which the president blamed Mr. Walz and other Minnesota Democrats for Mr. Pretti’s death. (NYT)

And rumours now that Nazi cosplayer Bovino will be the fall guy.

It's said that a war can now be won in 24 hours. It's taken now 76 hours for a quick and speedy response from the Whitehouse, and they are still prevaricating.

placemats · 27/01/2026 00:17

Good news to end the night!

realityslapsyou · 27/01/2026 00:38

Has this been posted yet: Wow!

As President Trump withdraws the United States from the World Health Organization, California is stepping up under Governor Gavin Newsom — becoming the first, and currently the only, state to join WHO’s Global Outbreak Alert & Response Network (GOARN), strengthening public health preparedness and rapid response coordination. During his recent trip to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, Governor Newsom met with WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus to discuss collaboration to detect and respond to emerging public health threats

www.gov.ca.gov/2026/01/23/governor-newsom-meets-with-world-health-organization-director-general-announces-california-becomes-first-state-to-join-who-coordinated-international-network/

realityslapsyou · 27/01/2026 01:08

CaveMum · 26/01/2026 20:29

Taken from Facebook:

Vice Admiral Nancy Lacore, one of the senior military leaders fired without cause by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last summer, has announced that she's running for the Congressional seat of Republican Nancy Mace in South Carolina's 1st Congressional District -- turning her dismissal from the Pentagon into a fight to flip a Republican House seat.

"After decades of service to our country, a career that started as a Navy pilot and finished as a three-star admiral, I was removed from my position without cause," Lacore declared in her campaign announcement last week. "I still have more to give, more to fight for, more work to do -- and I am not done serving."

Lacore is a trailblazer in every sense: a 35-year Navy veteran who began her career as a helicopter pilot and rose to become a three-star admiral and the 16th Chief of the Navy Reserve, where she led more than 60,000 sailors. A native of Albany, New York, she followed in her father's footsteps by accepting an ROTC scholarship to the College of the Holy Cross, earning her naval aviator wings in 1993.

Over three and a half decades, she accumulated approximately 1,300 flight hours in military aircraft, deployed to Afghanistan in 2011, commanded Camp Lemonnier in Djibouti, and served as the 93rd Commandant of Naval District Washington before ascending to lead the Navy Reserve. Her awards include the Legion of Merit, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, four Meritorious Service Medals, and four Navy Commendation Medals.

Her firing on August 22, 2025 exactly one year after taking command of the Navy Reserve came alongside Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse, who led the Defense Intelligence Agency, and Rear Adm. Milton Sands, who commanded the Navy SEALs. The Defense Department offered no explanation for her dismissal beyond the catchall "loss of confidence," the same vague justification Hegseth has used to fire dozens of America's most senior military leaders.

Ironically, this unprecedented purge has been conducted by the least qualified Defense Secretary in modern history -- a former Fox News TV host with no senior military command experience, no experience managing large organizations, and no previous government service at any level.

This systematic dismantling of military leadership has alarmed national security experts across the political spectrum. Five former defense secretaries including retired Gen. Jim Mattis, Trump's own first defense secretary condemned the firings as "reckless" in a joint letter to Congress, asking for "immediate hearings to assess the national security implications" of the dismissals.

Former National Security Council member Kori Schake, a George W. Bush adviser, said the Trump administration is "squandering an enormous amount of talent." Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, a Marine officer who served in Iraq and now sits on the House Armed Services Committee, was blunter: "That's a recipe not just for a politicized military, but an authoritarian military. That's the way militaries work in Russia and China and North Korea."

In Lacore's case, her extensive military record and broader community service show the high caliber of leader that Hegseth has dismissed without cause. After returning from Afghanistan in 2012, she visited the Women in Military Service for America Memorial for the first time and found herself paging through a book devoted to the stories of women who died in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and realized that even after 24 years in the Navy and her own deployment to a war zone, she had no idea how many women had been killed.

"As a woman who had just served in Afghanistan, I really had no idea who had been killed, how many, what services," she said. "And so, I was like, 'You know what, I can do something about this.'"

So she did. In 2014, Lacore founded Valor Run, running 160 miles in 160 hours one mile for each of the 160 American servicewomen who died in Iraq and Afghanistan from Chesapeake, Virginia to the Women's Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery, raising $33,000 for military charities.

"It's not about me running," she said at the time. "It's about the people coming together and recognizing all the women who have died." The nonprofit ran for ten years, awarding more than $30,000 in scholarships to children whose mothers served in those wars.

Lacore's campaign is centered on putting people first affordability, opportunity, and honoring service. "Hard work should result in a stable life," she said. "Americans deserve a lower cost of living housing, healthcare, childcare, and daily essentials -- so families, seniors, veterans, and young Americans can build secure futures." With four of her six children now in the workforce, she knows the challenges young people, in particular, are facing firsthand.

South Carolina's 1st District, which includes Charleston, Beaufort, and the surrounding Lowcountry, leans Republican -- Trump won it by 13 points in 2024. But there's precedent for an upset: in 2018, Democrat Joe Cunningham flipped this very seat in one of the biggest upsets of the midterm cycle, becoming the first Democrat to represent the Charleston-based district since 1981. Cunningham lost narrowly to Mace in 2020, but Democrats believe that in a wave election year, with the right candidate, the seat could flip again.

Nancy Lacore a decorated combat veteran, a three-star admiral, a mother of six, and the founder of a nonprofit to honor fallen servicewomen may be exactly that candidate. As she declared: "I've served my whole life, and I'm not done yet."

Thank you for all of this info!

I don't know much about the military and have so many questions about how those in the field. How do they feel about all the top brass being dismissed? Do they have loyalty to Hegseth? What will they do if ordered to fight civilians? Is anyone publicly agreeing with Mark Kelly?

Another question, I know that Acrossthepond mentioned at one point that former presidents won't speak out against a sitting president generally. But in this case, when the country is going down in flames, shouldn't they speak out?

I could see it more if they were completely done once they left office, but they still have protected on the tax payers dime, do they not still owe their people something?

realityslapsyou · 27/01/2026 01:19

'protection' not protected. Tax payers', and prob more🙃Sorry, it's late. Time for bed!

JoshLymanSwagger · 27/01/2026 02:13

Rutte the Nutter has to go.
He's been sucking up to 🍊🌮 far too much.
NO country needs nuclear weapons.

persephonia · 27/01/2026 02:30

JoshLymanSwagger · 27/01/2026 02:13

Rutte the Nutter has to go.
He's been sucking up to 🍊🌮 far too much.
NO country needs nuclear weapons.

Well...
Ideally no-one would have nuclear weapons
If that isn't possible then only a few countries have nuclear weapons and there is a general consensus that not only is using them bad, but threatening to use them is also bad
If that isn't possible then ideally you have their strategic use restricted to one of defence. (If you invade us or attack us we might use nukes...)

We have had almost 4 years of Russia using nuclear weapons as a strategic offensive weapon. (I am going to invade this country and if anyone tries to intervene I might use nukes). I don't believe they ever would. But unfortunately the constant (batshit) threatening on Russian TV etc did have an impact on Ukraine's allies who were more restrained than they needed to be for quite a while in what weapons they provided/how those weapons could be used. (All the talk of Putin needing a golden bridge.) So because it was a successful strategy it will likely be copied by other countries. Which puts countries without nuclear weapons at a huge disadvantage. Especially ironically as Ukraine was one of the few countries ever to give up it's weapons.

You already have countries that Don't have weapons getting bombed/invaded with impunity by more powerful countries. If Iran already had weapons, (maybe if they hadn't made deals with other US presidents to stop/slow down production) they wouldn't be being bombed by America or Israel now.

Countries which didn't previously develop their own nuclear weapons because they are under Americas umbrella are now being told it's only on loan when it isn't raining. So they are screwed if Russia decides to threaten them (or would be if it weren't for France). Or for that matter if Americ starts making threats. You just have to look at some of the MAGA communications to see that turning this or that country "to glass" is a bit of a fantasy. Trump would absolutely love to threaten other countries with nuclear weapons if he thought he could do it without bringing danger to himself.

So unfortunately,.I think countries DO need nuclear weapons. And it sucks.

But thats the real reason various countries want to re-enact Weekend at Bernie's with NATO. Because saying actually it isn't a thing anymore and breaking with America completely just speeds up the risk of nuclear proliferation. And knowing it is all Americas fault really won't be much comfort if it all goes south.

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 02:40

persephonia · 26/01/2026 22:36

It's nuclear weapons. If the EU wants nuclear weapons it cant do that without every country committing at lot- according to Rutte at least 10% of their GDP. Currently it doesn't feel existential enough to most people to justify it. So, because Frances nuclear stock is quite small and the UKs is meshed with the US we continue to rely on America.

I think he's setting the stage for an argument that may be made further down the line that Europe needs to do this. Other countries in other parts of the world will likely be making similar calculations in the next 30 years.

Aaargh.

The UK has. and makes, our own nuke warheads. It's the Trident missiles we share with the USA.

The missiles are in a common pool in the US. Our subs go back and forward to the US to swap missiles when needed. The warheads we make in Berkshire and ferry up to Faslane by special train, where we fit them to the missiles.

The missiles, once on our subs, are independent of the US. And unlike the US system, our sub commanders can fire the missiles without any outside code etc. Hence our letter of last resort system.

Sky news article here from last year, when they visited Aldermaston. Note this bit : "The organisation has some 9,500 employees in total, including about 7,000 at Aldermaston, where the warhead is developed and its component parts are manufactured."

Inside Britain's largest nuclear weapons site - as scientists race to build a new warhead by the 2030s | UK News | Sky News

We make our own subs of course, and our own nuke powerplants for them. They are intertwined with the US nuke powered subs, but that is because we own some of the tech and they own some. Hence the AUKUS deal to supply Australia with Nuke powered subs involves us. Because we own part of the tech, and the US can't sell it without our involvement.

Re France. They have and make nuke capable jets. As do Sweden. The Eurofighter is not Nuke capable, but we still have some Tornadoes, and they are.

So yup, Europe and the UK are not defenseless.

:-)

Inside Britain's largest nuclear weapons site - as scientists race to build a new warhead by the 2030s

Designing and building a bomb is something the UK has not needed to do for decades.

https://news.sky.com/story/inside-britains-largest-nuclear-weapons-site-as-scientists-race-to-build-a-new-warhead-by-the-2030s-13386012

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 03:11

This Bovino story is classic dictator stuff is it not?

Underlings go too far, unknown to dear leader, and dear leader steps in to fix it all, because he is the only one that really cares for his people. And of course, the instructions from dear leader to his underlings are always vague, so he can deny it, with the "that's what I meant" comment.

No idea how to do things ? No problem. Get them all infighting, dispense with the fails, claim credit for any success.

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 04:37

Here is an interesting one. TikTok vid issues. I suspect a bit of paranoia is at play here, but this story is indicative of how any potential government influence on social media does impact trust.

I reckon this story is a good one for us Trump watchers to file on the back burner, now that we know Trumps pals got the algorithm as part of the deal. That is the part the CPC wanted to keep, and foil hat on, that is the part that would have needed high level deals and promises to be made to obtain.

TikTok users complain anti-ICE videos won’t upload. The company blames tech issues | CNN Business

TikTok users complain anti-ICE videos won’t upload. The company blames tech issues | CNN Business

Some TikTok users are accusing the app of censorship after they attempted and failed to upload videos about ICE. TikTok says the ongoing glitches are related to a power outage.

https://us.cnn.com/2026/01/26/tech/tiktok-ice-censorship-glitch-cec

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 06:58

Another stonker from the Trump admin, reported by CNN:

"FBI Director Kash Patel said Monday his agency is looking into Signal group chats allegedly used by Minneapolis residents to share sightings of federal agents, warning that people cannot “create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way.”"

"Patel told conservative influencer Benny Johnson in a podcast interview the FBI is investigating whether any laws were broken in Signal group chats."

"“Now, we will balance the First and Second Amendment constantly, but we have to let the community know that we will not tolerate acts of violence and an escalation and a violation of the federal code,” Patel said in the interview."

Wowser Mr P. I am not the head of the FBI, nor am a lawyer, and I am not even American. But even I know that what you are talking about here is against the 4th amendment.

I can't post link sorry, this story is in the CNN live feed.

YankTank · 27/01/2026 06:59

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 04:37

Here is an interesting one. TikTok vid issues. I suspect a bit of paranoia is at play here, but this story is indicative of how any potential government influence on social media does impact trust.

I reckon this story is a good one for us Trump watchers to file on the back burner, now that we know Trumps pals got the algorithm as part of the deal. That is the part the CPC wanted to keep, and foil hat on, that is the part that would have needed high level deals and promises to be made to obtain.

TikTok users complain anti-ICE videos won’t upload. The company blames tech issues | CNN Business

I’m in a FB group where this is being discussed. Someone who posts non-political videos about animals (and earns an income from it, so has thousands of followers) said that her posts yesterday had 0 likes, which is unheard of for her.

The dust will probably settle today, and we’ll be able to see what happened.

RedTagAlan · 27/01/2026 07:09

Here is another from the CNN feed, in case folk missed it. These stories are thick and fast.

"A federal appeals court declined to order a judge to sign an arrest for journalist Don Lemon for his actions at a protest inside a Minnesota church, court documents show.
The ruling, which was unsealed Saturday, referenced the Department of Justice’s attempts to arrest eight individuals allegedly involved in the anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement protest that disrupted a service at the Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota.
A magistrate judge only approved three of the eight arrests, court records show. A person familiar with the matter said that Lemon is one of the five whose arrest warrants were declined.
One of the judges on the panel, Judge Leonard Steven Grasz, wrote in a concurrence that the Justice Department “clearly establish[ed] probable cause for all five arrest warrants,” but “failed to establish that it has no other adequate means” of obtaining them.
Lemon, a former CNN host who now makes content independently, has said that he was present at the demonstration as a journalist and not as a protester.
“They’re going to try again, and they’re going to try again.
And guess what? Here I am,” Lemon said on his YouTube show Thursday night.
“Keep trying. That’s not gonna stop me from being a journalist. You’re not gonna diminish my voice.”
Prosecutors can still attempt to obtain another criminal complaint and arrest warrant, or can seek a grand jury indictment."

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