Lucy Letby not charged with further crimes - what does this say about her current convictions

[mids2019]

So no more charges for Lucy Letby currently.

I can't say I am surprised as the tactics the CPS used the first time to secure convictions wont wash. There have been too many questions about the 'expert' evidence in the first trial and in my opinion the CPS don't want to take the risk of trying again with a more possibly more aware jury.

The police seem to be not too happy and probably thought they had similar evidence as they had initially so were taken aback by the CPS decision. They have had to approach parents to say that their children dies either through medical incompetence or through natural causes. The poor parents will now feel distraught and confused being lef up the garden path and the police maybe telling them Lucy was guilty.

I wonder if this is paving the way for a retrial?

Can't say as I'm surprised. They were always going to struggle for an expert witness for this shitshow now Dewi's fucked off into the sunset. Not sure it will necessarily have any impact on the appeal process though, or lead to a retrial.

I can't see how she could have possibly had a fair trial anyway.

Good points.

However the police seem to think they had the evidence and their statement expresses disappointment with the GPS which I guess is quite unusual. I feel for the parents of the Liverpool children as the police were probably gearing them up for a trial and now they are left in limbo.

The judicial enquiry will now not touch on other trusts and I think that undermines it to a greater extent. It just seems to me the CPS don't want to become embroiled in this and have their reputation to consider. The question is if the evidence is not enough to convict now then how was it good enough before? The police obviously thought the evidence was of similar nature of they wouldn't have gone so far down this path and obviously telling the parents at Liverpool that Lucy would face justice.

I wonder if the CPS are worried that if they take any new cases to court, LL’s defence team would prove her innocent on those which would/may cast further doubt on the existing convictions

I think she’s got a whole life sentence, so I suppose what is the point of spending money on further trials.

I think the police were suffering from a very bad case of groupthink and they genuinely have no idea how ridiculous they are being.
They were hoping for more charges being brought as a way to shut up all the commentary on this disgusting travesty of justice but just because they got lucky the first time round that didn’t mean it was going to be so easy this time, now the CPS is concentrating a bit harder.

Justice and answers for the families.

I have serious doubts about her convictions. But I can understand further investigations. The families need answers.

The police seek justice even when someone is in his for life.

To me it seems the police thought there would be another trial and they have obviously took a lot of time and resource to bring their findings to the CPS informing the parents of their intention to prosecute. It has come as a surprise to the police that the CPS have rejected the charges in entirity (and there were a number) so to my mind the CPS want nothing to do with the evidence and complexity of the cases that resulted in the first convictions.

There is something not right here.

The police seemed desperate to secure new convictions after the expert questioning of the first verdicts to bolster their reputation (and possibly as a result of pique). It has blown up in their face and instead of having a spokesman announcing new court dates they are now having to explain to grieving parents their evidence which I am sure they were confident of was insufficient bringing a spotlight on their performance and motivation.

The incompetence of Cheshire police is what is not right.

^This.

It's far more likely that the CPS refused the charges because the evidence they presented didn't meet the standard for bringing charges than because they thought it was too complex.

I think it is telling that the CPS rejection is on evidential grounds not public interest grounds, and that Cheshire Police responded with a stroppy and emotionally manipulative statement. (When did it become acceptable for police forces to do that?)

I agree with pp re groupthink. That police force is behaving like the witch hunters and they are divorced from reality.

I think it's a disgrace that they went on fishing expeditions trying to pin more deaths on Letby and have caused unnecessary and avoidable distress to the families concerned by spinning more of their wild baseless stories to them in the process.

The new families will obviously be absolutely fine about this and Cheshire police have now led them to a point where they will have to come to terms that their babies deaths were either natural or due to hospital mismanagment. The police attitude of throwing as much as possible toward the CPS and seeing what sticks is appalling and must create another motivation for appeal of the original convictions. I don't think we will ever see the evidence the CPS rejected but I think it will be similar in nature to the original evidence. The CPS couldn't risk Letby being found innocent as even more questions would arise about the original convictions. It all stinks.

The new families will obviously be absolutely fine about this and Cheshire police have now led them to a point where they will have to come to terms that their babies deaths were either natural or due to hospital mismanagment

What have you been smoking, and can I have some?

Sorry typo meant to type distraught

I don’t see how she’s innocent personally. She was on duty every time a baby died, she admitted it in her diary didn’t she ?

Also the jury saw all the evidence during her trial which we will never see.

Of course she won’t admit it, why would she ? All the while she says she’s innocent , she has a hope of an appeal.

If she’s innocent, who is guilty?

The hospital is guilty of mismanagement, neglect, lack of supervision, and instigating a witch hunt to cover their own failings.

She also wrote that she was innocent in her diary, btw.

No jury will ever see the evidence for this new tranche of charges. Why not? The CPS have no faith in the 'expert' witnesses put forward by the police as they see no realistic chance of conviction. The CPS know any new jury wouldn't be hoodwinked as in the original cases. All the parents involved now must be so confused and hurt but I think the push for a serial or acquittal has become a lot stronger.

I did this , I’m evil. I dont deserve to live.

These were some of the things she wrote down in her notes.

I can't breathe, kill myself now, I haven't done anything wrong, slander, discrimination, victimisation.

She also wrote that in her journal.

It was a therapy exercise to help her make sense of her thoughts. Of all the evidence presented, the journals confuse me the most. On the same page as her "confession," she also wrote that she was innocent and a victim of slander and discrimination. What gives one statement more worth than the other?

The notes are nothing but the incoherent ramblings of a very distressed and frightened young woman.

Also how come these notes are so damning in the original convictions but not now?The confusion here is just too much......the attempted charging of Lucy for these new cases have just brought misery into the already grieving parents. We are meant to believe in the safety of the original convictions yet believe similar charges with similar evidence would lead to no realistic possibility of conviction?????

The jury was shown cherry-picked notes that focused more on her feelings of guilt than on her innocence.

I believe, but I am not 100% sure, that the full content of the notes came out after her conviction, when she hired a new legal team. I do know the jury only saw a very small selection. Her original legal team failed her badly.

The Thirwall enquiry report is delayed and I wonder how this news will impact it. Even if it comes out the enquiry will focus on the parents of the babies for which Lucy was found guilty but not mention the parents of those she will not be tried for.....how much of a duck up is that?

Not surprising, the standard of evidence for the first trial was terrible, and this time around it would be torn apart day by day by experts unlike the last trial where it only started happening months later.
Was Dewi Evans doing reports for them this time around I wonder or could they just not get any expert to say that there was deliberate harm caused?

Will we ever know which means this is hidden justice. Not great.