How do we tackle the problem of radical Islam?

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Most Muslims are ‘normal’ people, I live in an area with a high Muslim population most are just normal people going about their everyday business.

BUT clearly there is a problem somewhere. When was the last violent attack by Christians, Jews Hindus or any other religion?

It does feel like this is a problem that cannot be widely discussed for fear of being called Islamophobic. But there’s clearly a problem in the religion.

How many more people have to die before something more significant is done - and what could that even be?

But how does lumping them all together help on a practical level? It's a bit like saying "why are we talking about a treatment for measles when we also need to consider chickenpox, scabies etc.?". Yes they have some strands in common and all need to be dealt with but it's a massive oversimplification to suggest they can be dealt with together. It otherwise just becomes a philosophical discussion ('what about...?") and not something that will lead to meaningful action.

With Islamic extremists thought to account for more than 75% of MI5's case load it makes sense to have a concerted effort at tackling it.

So you don't think sources/facts matter then? Okie dokes.

If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The experience of individual families are irrelevant. Also, what the west is experiencing at the moment isn't a natural drift of people from other cultures, it's overwhelming and forced. This is naturally going to cause problems for such countries.

Really?

I wondered why too. I wondered if they might be for totally open borders and free unhindered movement of people ?

It's possible I suppose ?

it's true. I live in Bahrain and the security services here do a sterling job to ensure that everyone both citizens and residents can live safely and in peace.

Why are individuals irrelevant.

We are all individuals after all.

And no, I won't do the Life of Brian reference :-)

They aren't making themselves victims in any sense. Possibly if they wrote what they really felt they would likely be banned by MNHQ.

This was a theory put forward by a journalist Vincent Cooper. It’s been fact checked and debunked. It’s estimated that the Muslim population of the UK in 2050 will be about 10% and it’s not thought that they will be the largest faith group. Source BBC

What utter bullshit. What happened in Liverpool had nothing to do with radicalism and you know it. Around the same time a British Pakistani man drove into a little girl on the pavement in Manchester and killed her, he was drug driving, it was a terrible accident and the fact he was Muslim doesn’t make it a terrorist attack. There’s a clear difference.

How do we tackle any radical religious ideology?

Christo-Fascism in the USA, the right wing Jewish factions tearing into Gaza, the Hindu nationalism in India - it's not just one religion, it's all of them

I think more needs to be done for youngsters, education around radicalisation in schools, how to spot it, how to report it, how to all respect each other etc, also need to look at radicalisation in prisons.

Do we have services that can de-radicalise people who have been?

Real work needs to go into whats online and parents also need to be more aware of what their children are viewing online.

We also need more community projects that bring all walks of life, races and faiths together, so we can learn from each other and realise in most cases, we are not so different. Most people, of all faiths and from all countries just want to live in peace and get on with their lives.

People feel so comfortable being openly racists these days and all it does is cause more division. Racism needs to be tackled just as much, why can’t we all respect each other and be tolerant?

This is what the UK uses to label all terrorist attacks as a Islam problem. For everyone who is not a Muslim committing crimes of the same or worse calibre it is labeled as "lone wolf" "mental health".
Does the terminology used truly matter when the crimes are all horrendous and abhorrent?

Totally agree. I think it’s fine for OP to ask the question and I think people need to be able to explore their fears. It’s natural that a religion or culture that is more unfamiliar is going to be more easy to fear and blame than a culture we feel we understand. As pps have highlighted, there has been a lot of violence in the name of Christianity, and by non religious white people.

I think in the discussion we also need to look at the West’s colonial past and history of treating people with brown skin as if they are inferior. The UK, Australia and America in particular have a history of dominating and exploiting poorer nations, including predominantly Islam countries, and I think this needs to be included in the discussion.

Under the circumstances we now find ourselves? No.

Easy. Ban all migration from these countries. Deport known terrorists/supporters and their families. We must come down on these people like a tonne of bricks.

I never used to feel like this, but when my daughter was caught up in the Manchester concert bombings something changed in me. Searching for your child and thinking she could be dead does something to you.

It’s alright for those sat in leafy suburbs, they’re not living amongst it and believe me it’s terrifying. It’s not their daughters being groomed, it’s not their sons being attacked.

It’s going to get much worse, and I dread to think what our country is going to look like in 50 years

Source the BBC? 😂
Edited to add: just checked him out (not a journalist) and his report is dated ... 2013.

You only have to look at Birmingham as an example where there are many Muslims living there now to the extent that they are represented by a Pakistan born Independent Muslim MP (which is their democratic right) who won his seat on a pro Gaza ticket.
I won't say any more on the basis I want the post to stand as I have quoted facts not thoughts or feels.

Multiculturalism can work. Where it falls down is in the attitude that the incomer or minority’s culture is sacrosanct. Multiculturalism only works when it is bi-directional. Incomers need to be welcomed and integrated, and they need to actively integrate within their new community, and the wider community.

When minorities want to retain every aspect of their culture-of-source, while living in a completely different culture, conflict is inevitable.

All migrants should be taught English, for example. It is unacceptable that schoolchildren should have to be interpreters for their parents. Very often the mothers have least access to learning English, so how can they interact with their children’s education and healthcare? How can they trust people they do not understand? Providing interpreters should only be a stopgap while all family members learn English.

There should not be any faith schools that are outwith the standard state provision. Schools can have a faith ethos and follow faith practices, but must teach the full UK curriculum according to UK standards, and including equality between the sexes, and learning about other religions in a neutral manner. Children can and should learn about their heritage in out-of-school settings - language schools, madrassas, synagogues, temples, churches etc.

Extremisim, of any religion or ideology, is the problem, not religion itself. Religion can be a good thing, a guide to living an ethical life. After all, every religion has a version of the Golden Rule: treat others the way you would wish to be treated. Ignorance leads to intolerance, and both lead to extremism.

Christians have been starting wars since their religion began. Hitler was Christian.
Hindus have been involved in wars for centuries.
The wars in the middle east strongly involve Jews.

Even Pol Pot claimed to be a Buddhist.

Nice to see you consider the Muslims you coexist with to be 'normal'. As opposed to what? Having two heads?

I’m so sorry you had that fear. Such a horrendous attack.

No. You have quoted an opinion, which is factually incorrect. Have a look at the credible research into predicted population of the UK, which is carried out by several UK and international sources. Then perhaps use it to inform an intelligent opinion.

@utterlytraumatised I am so sorry for what you have been through. I feel the same with regards to the future. I'm 77 so maybe won't be around but I fear greatly for my children (Jewish) and grandchildren (Jewish on their mother's side)
Dd2 has told me of a colleague's children who are taught in their Jewish primary school to play Sleeping Lions, aka play dead, in the event of a shooter entering the classroom
What kind of world are we living in, here in the UK? .How do I explain to my 10 and 13 year old grandsons why we are frightened?

The percentage of Muslims in the UK by 2050 or whatever date is irrelevant. How much political and cultural influence they gain is more relevant.

A 2 headed Muslim. An advantage given the punishment for apostasy😀.

Hitler's actions reflect an antagonism towards organized religion. His regime actively persecuted the Christian churches, leading to the imprisonment of thousands of clergy who resisted the state. Plans were in place to eventually eliminate or subjugate Christianity entirely after the war's conclusion. Yes, he was was baptised and confirmed as Roman Catholic in his youth, but historians widely agree he was not a Christian in any traditional sense as an adult. He privately despised Christianity, viewing it as weak and a "Jewish invention," and his public expressions of Christian faith were primarily a political ploy to gain support in Christian-majority Germany.