How do we tackle the problem of radical Islam?

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Most Muslims are ‘normal’ people, I live in an area with a high Muslim population most are just normal people going about their everyday business.

BUT clearly there is a problem somewhere. When was the last violent attack by Christians, Jews Hindus or any other religion?

It does feel like this is a problem that cannot be widely discussed for fear of being called Islamophobic. But there’s clearly a problem in the religion.

How many more people have to die before something more significant is done - and what could that even be?

Absolutely agree.

Yes but that doesn't fit the story they want.

Stop denying all radicalism is a problem.

Liverpool parade wasn’t a terror attack was it? I thought for something to be deemed a terror attack there needs to be a political motive/idealogical/religious goals?

I wonder how successful the prevent strategy is? I’ve never had personal dealings with needing to refer anyone but have been told about the process

Addressing the Saudi funding of Wahhabi mosques which have an extreme interpretation of Islam and proven links to terrorist activity would be a start but that should have been done 20 years ago. Deport the non British firebrand hate preachers who are spewing anti western rhetoric and inciting violence week in and week out and roll out mandatory Prevent style classes across schools. Personally i would deport all the people on the Mi5 watchlist. Ultimately though Islam as whole has to go through some kind of reformation like Christianity did where there is a separation of state and religion and there is a move away from the literal interpretation of the the Quran and Hadiths. That's not going to happen though as any kind of equivalent Martin Luther or John Calvin reformer types emerging from within Islam would not get far before being killed.

Attempts to pretend that Islamic fundamentalism isn’t the biggest terror threat by a country mile to this country are tedious at best.

Prevent shouldn’t have been expanded beyond that focus, in my opinion. It’s now spread too thinly.

As someone has mentioned upthread, Muslim countries are much more robust about Islamic fundamentalists than the liberal handwringers here are - as Muslims are the most likely to be killed or attacked by these groups.

I reckon we, in in western nations, keep doing what we do, and modify our methods a bit. This applies to all radicals, and crime really.

When I think about any issue of violence, my thought goes to what we, as a society, would look like if the authorities and experts were doing nothing. We know what failed states look like, Somalia, Haiti etc, and our nation does not look like them.

We don't look like Afghanistan, that has a radical Government, or Pakistan where religious and tribal attacks result in hundreds of dead.

We have strict gun laws, so we don't have school shootings. The US has slack gun laws and lots of mass shootings, so we know our gun laws work.

Yes, we have horrific terror attacks in the Uk, but how do we know if we would have more or less if Government, of any brand, were not doing what they do. Same as with gun laws, how do we know what we do is not working ?

So I think we do what we already do, most definitely with more resources and cash of course, and our Parliament should listen and debate any new laws the experts think would help reduce the risk.

If the experts say enhanced checks, travel bans etc, then put it to Parliament and debate it.

Totally yes, we should do all we can to prevent any attacks at all. But are we ready to deal with the loss of freedoms that entails.

Probably because all these threads v quickly come out with "the left is the issue" usually by those on the 'right, who refuse to accept they also have a real problem on this too.

The Australian killers were "inspired" by ISIS, a far right terror group.

How Islamist extremism can be combatted? it cannot, the internet ensures that, all that can be done is when people express alien ideologies, they are dealt with, education but also deportations, removal of citizenship but firstly, don't let extremists into the country!

But we have bought this problem closer to our own shores, in recent years, we've allowed in millions of people from SE Asia/the Philippines, with little or no checks on their views.

Prior to this, we imported people from Europe to do the work we don't want to do.

Was it the left or the right that bought about this change?

All very well, but how many acts of terror such as mass shootings, are committed in the name of Hinduism, Sikhism, or Buddhism?

And it's inevitable that the uk will end up majority Muslim by I would say 2050.
This is not a conspiracy theory.

What is your source for this? I especially love the "I would say" part of your post. Who are you
Why should anyone care what you "would say"?

Why is the op asking the question on the radicalism that just caused a horrific attack in Australia an issue?

Stupid grammar nitpicking. Why should we care what you say, why should anyone care what anyone says? Right, time to shut down all social media.

Radical Islam is fundamentally incompatible with secular liberal democracy. Donald Trump is absolutely correct when he talks about ‘civilisational erasure’ in Europe. It’s already happening and it must be stopped before it’s too late, and while Britain in any recognisable sense still exists. In parts of Leicester, Birmingham, Bradford etc it no longer does, of course. Forced, mass deportation is inevitable and the sooner it starts the easier it will be for all concerned.

To those in denial, even the Imams are calling it out…

“ Let us be absolutely clear. The Bondai Beach terrorist attack is what the globalizing of the Inifada looks like when hatred is normalized, when incitement is excused, and when extremists are allowed to fester under the cover of politics, slogans, and cowardly silence. “
Imam Tawhidi

Why does anyone care what anyone says on an opinion based forum? It's not that deep.

I think they will be the largest single faith group by 2050 although possibly not the majority in population terms.

And I bet you live somewhere leafy and not diverse.
Another unsubstantiated opinion.

We just need proper facts and figures. Then we can see who commits the most terrorist attacks. And then we can stop waffling on and focus on changing things. The danger of the government not doing this means other groups are radicalised in opposition.

@Sartre is he still your best friend? If so, why, when he holds such abhorrent views?

Those who have arranged this situation are the ones at fault. Multiculturalism doesn't work.

Yep, A Jewish country have murdered over 70'000 Islamic people in just over two years and that it lowest estimated. But that'll be brushed over right

I’ve always thought religion is the cause of all wars, everyone would be better off if we were all atheist.

Multiculturism worked fine when I lived in England, me being Scottish.

And it works fine for me in my mixed race marriage, and DD is fine being mixed race. DD has 2 cultures, so she gets to do both cultural traditions.

Do you have specific examples of where multiculturism does not work ?

You two, making yourselves victims here.

If what you think contributes to the discussion and is offered as debate not insults or attacks or incitement to violence what possible reason is there not to explain your thoughts?