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Thread 19 - TalkLair: "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"

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Kucinghitam · 02/12/2025 21:36

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Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat...

In the TalkLair, the fairy lights are festooned on the mantlepiece, the tree is twinkling with baubles, the mince pies are in the oven, the MN legendary chicken is ready to feed the hordes. The denizens of the lair are a welcoming bunch, always eager for general chit-chat on all manner of topics. We just won’t mention the gnawed bones of our prey over there in the corner of the cave…

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Kucinghitam · 06/12/2025 09:29

GM's funeral took place yesterday, DM and DBro sent me lots of photos. I feel slightly sad that I wasn't able to attend, even though none of my aunts/uncles/cousins who live abroad were able to attend either. I may write a bit about a traditional (Malaysian) Chinese funeral in the next few days.

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Gonners · 06/12/2025 20:15

Please do @Kucinghitam! I had a quick look online and was mainly impressed by the dress code, which seems to consist of black or white, or pale colours, or Anything But Red ... which makes sense given the celebratory nature of red.

In MeMeMe news, this morning I picked up MrG's phone (which he doesn't use) to charge it and discovered a text from the GP's surgery asking him to get in touch as there was a message from the doc. This was sent shortly after I called them two days ago. Obviously today's Saturday, so let's hope it's nothing urgent, eh?

ProfessorBinturong · 08/12/2025 11:22

I hope the call was routine one.

I ordered a new door seal for the fridge. I was expecting a small envelope.

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BetjemansBear · 08/12/2025 11:39

Have they sent you a whole door, maybe?

Kucinghitam · 08/12/2025 11:58

Looks too thin to be an actual door...

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ProfessorBinturong · 08/12/2025 12:00

It is only the seal (and 27 pages of instructions) - just not folded at all.

BetjemansBear · 08/12/2025 12:06

Anyone remember the 1986 Australian film 'Malcolm'? The picture of the package reminds me of Malcolm saying 'Nice cardboard, Frank'.

Kucinghitam · 08/12/2025 12:47

Funeral stuff: Mum says I can share a few photos and is rather amazed that my Internet wrongmo acquaintances are interested.

Many Malaysian Chinese practice a sort of hybrid polytheistic religion incorporating Taoism (with quasi-animistic elements), Confucianism and Buddhism. GM had a more Buddhist version of the traditional Chinese funeral, which was a lot less elaborate than the Taoist/Confucian version which GD had.

Generally, the burial/cremation is held 3, 5 or 7 days after death. Beforehand, there’s a wake which these days is held at the funeral parlour rather than at home - the coffin is surrounded by elaborate floral arrangements and a framed photo of the deceased, there’s an altar for offerings and joss-sticks, and outside space for “Hell money” and other paper goods to be burned. Mourners and well-wishers drop by with offerings of “white money” (the wake is announced in newspapers and these days on social media, so anyone can come), monks chant blessings, vegetarian meals are served, the family keep vigil by the body although the modern Buddhist version doesn’t require family to stay 24/7 keeping the joss sticks constantly lit. A few of GM’s nurses from her care home came to the wake and wept, one of them sent us a whole load of photos of GM having a lovely time, hugging nurses, laughing and giggling.

Clothing for close family members is strictly white and black, although some families permit blue for grandchildren and green for subsequent generations; also red is allowed if the deceased was over 100 years old.

On the burial day, there’s final prayers with offerings of flowers, burning of more joss sticks, then a procession to the cemetery, with banging of gongs and chanting, the family following behind; traditionally only family attend this part of the funeral. These days all done by car rather than on foot.

GM was buried in the plot we’d bought for her and GD almost 5 decades ago in one of the oldest Chinese cemeteries on the island, having the most auspicious Feng Shui aspect. In Hokkien dialect “Chey sua, khua hai” meaning “sitting on the mountain, gazing at the sea.” It’s a prime plot being right at the top of the mountain, behind it only bushes and trees. The entire hillside is covered with graves, so the only way up is on foot picking your way between graves. The coffin was tied with thick rope to a huge beam, with additional beams coming off it to spread the weight to about 20-25 burly pallbearers; even with this number of people it was really hard going for them to get up to the grave and they had to keep resting and being replaced. You can see how difficult the route is in the photos.

Meanwhile, the mourners themselves and the monk had to struggle up the mountain, burdened with the offerings for the grave. The eldest son is supposed to carry the altar-pot containing the lit joss-sticks, but First and Second Uncles were too frail to carry stuff and climb at the same time (my brother and cousins had to help tow the older family members uphill), so Third Uncle carried it. GM’s coffin was lowered into the grave and the final chants and prayers said, food offerings made (again far less elaborate than GM herself would have done each year for QingMing aka Chicken-rolling, these days smaller amounts of pre-bought items in plastic boxes). My mum left a specific offering of a small bottle of stout because GM loved stout. Then each mourner had to take a handful of soil and throw it into the grave, then walk away without looking back. The monk allowed my brother and a couple of cousins to stay back to take photos after the grave was covered, it’ll later have a fresh covering of turf planted.

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Thread 19 - TalkLair: "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"
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BezMills · 08/12/2025 12:52

thank you for sharing that, and I think I forgot to express my sincere condolences before

MyrtleLion · 08/12/2025 12:54

That is beautiful.

moto748e · 08/12/2025 13:31

That's so lovely; thanks so much for sharing, Kuc.

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 08/12/2025 13:33

Thanks Kuc. That’s really interesting.

BetjemansBear · 08/12/2025 17:00

That's fascinating, Kuc, thank you for telling us. I've never seen anything quite like that graveyard, the pallbearers must be sturdy men.

Gonners · 08/12/2025 17:09

Thanks, @Kucinghitam - that's really interesting. And I love the contrast in the second photo between the wildness of the cemetery and the skyscrapers in the background. Is that George Town?

Kucinghitam · 08/12/2025 17:56

Now you can fully picture the chicken rolling @BetjemansBear Grin

It sort of is and isn't Georgetown @Gonners .

The area downhill from the cemetery used to be considered a whole separate village (originally a fishing and vegetable farming village) and there was a housing estate of mostly single-storey terraced houses along the main road shared by the cemetery. When I was a child, the view would have been graves, some low roofs, and then the sea. There was a main coastal road which led out of Georgetown and carried on to the more distant beaches and fishing villages. On one side, the sea. On the other, enough flat area to have vegetable fields.*

But really, this area is only a few miles from Georgetown proper.

In the late 90s-21st century, they started reclaiming vast swathes of land and all those impressive high-rise condominiums and shopping malls in the photo sprang up. The former main coastal road is now a dual carriageway and the sea is so far away (and hidden by massive buildings) that you'd have no idea it had once been right there Angry

I may be a little resentful and disapproving of the rampant money-grubbing development on the island.

*Very rare image, found on Google.

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BetjemansBear · 09/12/2025 09:33

That place looked so lovely, it's a shame the land is lost to high rises.

Kuc, what are the little huts for in the fields? I saw a lot of them when I spent a few weeks working in Jakarta about 30 years ago. At the time I imagined that they were not only shelters from the weather but somewhere to prepare a meal, though I never saw one close-up.

SinnerBoy · 09/12/2025 14:45

My condolences, Kuc and thanks for your National Geographic article! I knew none of that before now.

Kucinghitam · 09/12/2025 19:17

My guess for the huts would be the same as yours @BetjemansBear!

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Gonners · 09/12/2025 20:29

@Kucinghitam I may be a little resentful and disapproving of the rampant money-grubbing development on the island.

It's the way of things though, isn't it? When MrG and I were in China, we took advantage of the 2000 Chinese New Year break to visit my sister in NZ and stopped off on the way to see one of his ex-PhD students in Singapore. I was utterly gobsmacked at the change since I left in 1962 - admittedly some of it very impressive - but quite pissed-off that the road we lived in had been turned from lovely detached houses with gardens, on a hill overlooking the water, into soulless and ugly flats. A quick Google tells me that it's now been redeveloped into "luxury condominiums" priced at around £3 million!

artant · 09/12/2025 21:00

Fascinating to hear about the funeral @Kucinghitam and to see the pictures. Sad that the sea view has been usurped by reclaimed land and high rises but the burial ground is beautiful nonetheless.

Gonners · 15/12/2025 20:50

It's gone very quiet on here! Is everyone busy being Christmassy?

In Good Things That Never Happen news, we got a letter from the gastro consultant attaching a whole wodge of blood-test requests for MrG, with instructions to get them done at the local hospital. This morning I logged in to the website to book ... nothing until the New Year. Then there was a glitch in the system and I was chucked off. When I logged back in there was an appointment for 1:30 this afternoon, which I snaffled! We arrived early, the place was running like clockwork, someone didn't turn up so we didn't have to wait, MrG's veins were in a good mood, the phlebotomist was really competent and we were home in time for lunch. I can die happy!

moto748e · 15/12/2025 21:41

They are the kind of Good Things that I am not looking forward to! Glad it went well.
Yesterday someone ran into the back of me when I stopped at a zebra crossing. In the pouring rain, natch. Didn't look to be much damage, although it was quite a clunk. I said I'd take it to the garage and get it checked out. Guy was OK with that, and quite apologetic. Went to garage, they had a look. Two bumper brackets broken (fixable), but the impact had cracked the lacquer on the paintwork, you could see it peeling off like bits of Sellotape. Anyway, they quoted me £637 to replace brackets, remove bumper panel and respray. So I told the guy, and rather to my surprise, he said he'd pay me that, credit it to my account. I thought, great, that's my preferred option. Then he said, I'll call you back in ten, I'm just going to run it by my wife. Reader, my heart sank! 😀And sure enough, the returned call was hours later, not minutes. But now he says, he's rather pay the garage direct? But how is that even going to work? I think I'll ring the garage first thing and see what they say. I would have thought, in their shoes, if payment was being made by a third-party, they'd want remote payment upfront before they lifted a finger. Anyone ever had anything like this?

Gonners · 15/12/2025 22:17

@moto748e ... Maybe he (or his wife) thinks you might be conning him?

One of my neighbours had a very bizarre experience recently, when some loon claimed (via the police) that he (neighbour) had caused an insane amount of damage to his (loon's) car in the hospital car park. It was something well over £8k! Yes, he had been parked there that day, but there was not a scratch on his own car and he only learned about it via his insurers ... I mean, the whole story was bonkers. His insurers promptly cancelled his policy (for not reporting the non-event) but he obviously can't drive until it's sorted out. He did get someone else to drive him (in the car in question) to the local cop-shop, but this one could run and run!

Actually, when I write this down I wonder if he has gone insane/dreamed the whole thing!

moto748e · 15/12/2025 22:29

Maybe he (or his wife) thinks you might be conning him?

Clearly that. I kinda hoped they'd give me a quote in writing, but it was only verbal. But, to be fair, they didn't charge me, so I can hardly complain. Either way, whatever happens now has to be with the agreement of the garage.

Kucinghitam · 16/12/2025 11:15

Good luck with getting the car repair sorted @moto748e, what a pain!

Mini rant here, I need to get an International Driving Permit for my impending trip home. In previous times, I just popped to the nearest Post Office a short walk away. Fortunately I decided to just check online, to confirm what documents to bring. Turns out the DVLA removed that contract from the Post Office last year and gave it to PayPoint. OK fine, I went to the PayPoint website to search for which stores had that service.

Now, bear in mind that I live and work in the centre of a major city. Any guesses how many PayPoint stores that do IDPs are reachable from my location?

ONE. One store, and it's in the dodgiest most notorious section of the dodgiest most notorious area within the city boundaries. Google Maps tells me it'll take at least 45 minutes from the city centre, partially by bus but the store isn't on a bus route, so I'll have to walk at least 10-15 minutes through this dodgy-as-fuck area.

Talk about enshittification!

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