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School teachers to strike over 'virtual maths teacher'

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noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 15:16

Staff at a school in Lancarshire are going on a 6 day strike because the school has hired a teacher in Devon to teach top set maths from Y9-11.

The teacher is beamed into the classroom via video link. The article says "Under the scheme, pupils use technology to interact with the teacher, including touch screens and electronic pens." although I'm not sure what that means. Hopefully it would mean that the teacher would be able to see what each pupil is working on in real time, although that sounds very expensive!

There is then an additional adult hired to be present in the room and presumably manage behaviour (if they could help the kids with the work, they wouldn't need the virtual teacher).

On the one hand, I can see that the alternative for these kids is that they don't have a maths teacher at all.

On the other hand, replacing an actual teacher with a teacher-on-a-screen is not an ideal option. Teachers cannot build up relationships with classes that they cannot see, walk around and interact with like actual human beings. There's a lot of things that teachers do in a class that isn't merely standing at the front and delivering content.

If this happens more widely you could then also see teachers opting to become virtual teachers because then they'd get to work from home, not to have to bother with behaviour management or bus duty or staff meetings, or even a commute. And I suspect they are only using this set-up with top sets because they are more independent and compliant, so bottom sets are still going without good maths teachers, and indeed are more likely to go without because the good teacher has elected to do the work from home option.

I don't think it's a positive move. But then classes not having maths teachers at all is a real problem.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/staff-to-strike-over-schools-use-of-virtual-teacher/

Staff to strike over school's 'dystopian' virtual teacher

NEU members are to strike for six days in December and January over a school's use of a 'virtual teacher' to teach maths to secondary pupils

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/staff-to-strike-over-schools-use-of-virtual-teacher/

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MrsHamlet · 22/11/2025 16:07

My guess is that the person in the classroom will be a cover supervisor

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:08

ShesTheAlbatross · 22/11/2025 15:55

Surely the school is only doing this as a last resort anyway? What good will a strike do? It won’t magic up more maths teachers within commuting distance.

I guess what they are striking over is the principle of being replaced by someone elsewhere (why not India if Devon is ok?) rather than the immediate problem of the kids not having a maths teacher.

Also, if you're a maths teacher at that school you might be justifiably pissed off at all the top sets being given to the virtual one leaving none for you.

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noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:09

Another issue that I've just thought of is that these virtual teachers would not be able to train PGCE students so destroying the pipeline.

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VividLemonLeader · 22/11/2025 16:16

For top set in secondary it should be fine. Primary or lower sets would be more of an issue.

helpfulperson · 22/11/2025 16:16

There are loads of successful on line schools. Universities are generally moving towards remote learning. Open University has been successful for 50 years. Things are changing and moving on. If this is the only way they can get a qualified Maths teacher then they need to give it a go and if it doesn't work adapt it until it does.

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:17

RainySeattle · 22/11/2025 15:31

Virtual schools are a real thing! (Minerva virtual, Kings Interhigh) I appreciate this is a different set up, but I wouldn’t worry about quality of teaching. I’ve taught at one of the big online schools for years and we can engage with kids pretty well. It works really well for some kids.

(also the commute is nice it’s true, but we still have meetings - loads of them! And without the bonhomie of a staff room/communal biscuit tin. And a huge marking load. Remote teaching as a job has pros and cons!)

Interesting. Do the kids have their cameras on? How do you see what they are doing?

I'm assuming that because parents are paying, there aren't any issues with behaviour management?

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twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:20

It's obvious that this is the way education is heading ie a real life classroom supervisor/behaviour manager with the kids being taught remotely/via AI.

Solves recruitment crisis and school budgets can be cut further.

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:21

twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:20

It's obvious that this is the way education is heading ie a real life classroom supervisor/behaviour manager with the kids being taught remotely/via AI.

Solves recruitment crisis and school budgets can be cut further.

Well no, because the school now needs to pay for a qualified teacher and a supervisor and the technology required to make it work.

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twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:21

It's obvious that this is the way education is heading ie a real life classroom supervisor/behaviour manager with the kids being taught remotely/via AI.

Solves recruitment crisis and school budgets can be cut further.

twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:22

1 remote teacher can be linked up to deliver lessons to multiple schools at the same time

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:23

twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:22

1 remote teacher can be linked up to deliver lessons to multiple schools at the same time

Well there's the mistake in thinking that teachers merely deliver lessons.

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twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:24

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:23

Well there's the mistake in thinking that teachers merely deliver lessons.

No I don't think that but I'm 100% DfE do! I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's obvious that it's going to happen.

PurpleCyclamen · 22/11/2025 16:24

Well done to those teachers!
They are standing up for the kids. Kids need physical teachers.

twistyizzy · 22/11/2025 16:24

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:23

Well there's the mistake in thinking that teachers merely deliver lessons.

No I don't think that but I'm 100% DfE do! I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's obvious that it's going to happen.

TeenToTwenties · 22/11/2025 16:24

helpfulperson · 22/11/2025 16:16

There are loads of successful on line schools. Universities are generally moving towards remote learning. Open University has been successful for 50 years. Things are changing and moving on. If this is the only way they can get a qualified Maths teacher then they need to give it a go and if it doesn't work adapt it until it does.

But that is for students choosing online.

Shinyandnew1 · 22/11/2025 16:25

How can the remote teacher see what the children are all actually doing?

If the plan is one remote teacher delivering content to many classes of 30, who checks whether they've understood it or not? Who clarifies misconceptions?

DallasMajor · 22/11/2025 16:25

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 15:44

We did that in covid and it was a failure because the kids didn't have anyone actually making them do the work.

But many kids did - I am currently paying for online tutoring because my A level child currently doesn't have an A level qualified teacher - the subject is being taken by someone that has only done up to GCSE.

They also have a new teacher in their second subject who is a NQT, but they are the only specialist teacher in the school so have very little guidance, and aren't that good.

So I'm up for it, but it would only work for those that are motivated.

PurpleCyclamen · 22/11/2025 16:27

VividLemonLeader · 22/11/2025 16:16

For top set in secondary it should be fine. Primary or lower sets would be more of an issue.

Yeah, it’ll be fine. Just stick them in front of a YouTube video as the next step.

TeenToTwenties · 22/11/2025 16:28

@DallasMajor Just a comment that you can be motivated but still not cope with online. I could see my DD (various issues) was motivated from how hard she worked in 1-1 tutoring. But any form of online was hopeless for her.

ShesTheAlbatross · 22/11/2025 16:28

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:08

I guess what they are striking over is the principle of being replaced by someone elsewhere (why not India if Devon is ok?) rather than the immediate problem of the kids not having a maths teacher.

Also, if you're a maths teacher at that school you might be justifiably pissed off at all the top sets being given to the virtual one leaving none for you.

Oh I agree. But I’m just not sure what the striking teachers are suggesting as a solution? Because the solution would be to solve the shortage of maths teachers. But that isn’t within the individual school’s gift. So if they don’t have this virtual teacher they will have… what? An unqualified teacher? More work for the existing teachers? A double sized class with one teacher?

As a parent, I wouldn’t be happy with a virtual teacher. I also wouldn’t really be happy with any other solutions apart from more maths teachers in this country. But my child’s school can’t do anything about that. And neither can I - despite my maths degree I do not have the patience, tolerance or skill to teach it!

I just assume this school is doing its best and couldn’t hire someone who would physically be there.

SushiForMe · 22/11/2025 16:29

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2025 16:08

I guess what they are striking over is the principle of being replaced by someone elsewhere (why not India if Devon is ok?) rather than the immediate problem of the kids not having a maths teacher.

Also, if you're a maths teacher at that school you might be justifiably pissed off at all the top sets being given to the virtual one leaving none for you.

Fair enough, they are striking for their job conditions/security, but surly you can see how parents would rather a virtual teacher than no teacher at all - and that is also in the children’s best interest.

Fearfulsaints · 22/11/2025 16:31

I dont know what to think about this. It feels unsatisfactory. What is happening to the student who could get a 4. Its a gateway qualification. Have they now got the strongest maths teacher the school had, are their groups smaller?

Im aware of local schools having non maths teachers teach maths or hiring a weak maths teacher, and then that teacher getting a lot of coaching and a scheme of work and resources from a strong teacher from a different school in the trust. It seems odd the trust has no expertise to draw on to grow its own staff.

IsntItDarkOut · 22/11/2025 16:31

I used to work in HR/recruitment for a MAT. Hardest subjects to recruit were maths and science.
We permanently had adverts for maths teachers, offered special deals, had staff through agency on whole year contracts raking it in. If you were a maths teacher who only wanted to work mornings, fine (don’t ask if you teach geography!) They also had teachers from other subjects and trained them up to teach year 7 maths to free up the timetable for older years. We also had maths directors across the trust to could fill in and take top set GCSE classes.
Im sure it’s out of desperation. If if was English or Art it would be different as always had plenty of applications for them.

Silvertulips · 22/11/2025 16:41

There are role ty of TAs who could teach better than a NQT - they are not used for their strengths at all!!

Maybe the behaviour should be tackled first and each chair assessed prior to going to school - not ready to learn? Then they need to wait.

I would also put kids with behaviour problems into a setting where they can learn to behave prior to going back into the classroom.

So much time wasted. So much funds wasted. The few take up the most.

ChubbyPuffling · 22/11/2025 16:48

When I was young (60 now, so some time ago) I lived on a remote Scottish island.

We were taught via ham radio and worksheets sent by post - an official schools service. There were about 12 islands, 50 kids, different ages, we all "joined" the sessions required, from our separate homes, sometimes 20 kids, sometimes 7.

It is different, but the challenges with remote teaching are not insurmountable.
(but, if the teacher can be remote, why not the kids too.)