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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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Octavia64 · 18/11/2025 11:47

International comparisons:

in the eu generally about 25% report a disability as a “health limitation” with about 6.7% reporting a severe limitation.

so if we take the 6.7% as being roughly equivalent to U.K. disability benefits then the U.K. is pretty much in line with eu average.

if you look at the link you can also see very clearly how disability is much more likely with age - most disabilities are acquired disabilities due to illness or injury and so the older the population in the country the higher the disability rate.

britain is known to have an ageing population.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Population_with_disability

Population with disability - Statistics Explained - Eurostat

This article provides information about people in the EU with a disability (activity limitation); it covers people who are impacted by long-standing limitations in their usual activities due to health problems.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Population_with_disability

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:48

Octavia64 · 18/11/2025 11:47

International comparisons:

in the eu generally about 25% report a disability as a “health limitation” with about 6.7% reporting a severe limitation.

so if we take the 6.7% as being roughly equivalent to U.K. disability benefits then the U.K. is pretty much in line with eu average.

if you look at the link you can also see very clearly how disability is much more likely with age - most disabilities are acquired disabilities due to illness or injury and so the older the population in the country the higher the disability rate.

britain is known to have an ageing population.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Population_with_disability

You took all the old people out of your stats though by removing AA.

Octavia64 · 18/11/2025 11:48

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:46

@Octavia64
You can be disabled and not be eligible for those benefits. 25% of the population are disabled.

You also can't ignore AA allowance as disability skews towards the elderly. They are factually disabled. It is even more misleading to take the elderly's AA claims out of the stats but keep them in the population figure to work out the prevalance of disability amongst the population.

How do you know 25% of the population are disabled?

(genuine question, I’m a stats geek)

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:49

Octavia64 · 18/11/2025 11:48

How do you know 25% of the population are disabled?

(genuine question, I’m a stats geek)

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9602/

This is what government estimates.

sashh · 18/11/2025 12:35

PropertyD · 18/11/2025 10:56

For all those who are saying how difficult it is to get the benefit, the forms that needed to be filled in etc. How can they explain the rocketing number of claims that are increasing hugly on say 5 years ago?

For those of us on the outside - how has this happened? Are we seriously saying that 25% of people now register as disabled. That is a shocking figure and completely unlike anywhere else in the world. Why?

You can't register as disabled any more.

But 1/4 is about the number of the population who have disabilities. https://www.scope.org.uk/media/disability-facts-figures

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/one-in-four-workers-now-classed-as-disabled-ons/

Disability facts and figures | Disability charity Scope UK

Facts and figures about disability for journalists.

https://www.scope.org.uk/media/disability-facts-figures

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 18/11/2025 12:53

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:32

See, this is when I get very cross. Everything that annon disabled person does is presented as a complete free choice. Everything a disabled person does or a parent of a disabled person does is viewed as something that is completely out of their control. That just isn't how the world works.

I have seen people on this thread argue that those that having a child isn't comparable to having a disability as having a child is a choice. When I asked what about those parents who have knowingly chosen to have a disabled child following medical testing I was met with radio silence.

The fact is that lots of people ostensibly have 'choice' but very few people have free choice. The parent of the disabled child could move closer to the school that was allocated for their child. Is this reasonable though? By the same token is it reasonable to suggest that all the families that can't walk to school should move to live near a school and then probably move again when their children reach the next stage of education. It's ridiculous isn't it? So why suggest it?

Ultimately it boils down to this, did the family need the car only because of the disability. Would they be happily living without a car if their child wasn't disabled? A poster on this thread suggested this was the case for them and that is absolutely fair enough but it certainly won't be for the vast majority of families.

I would tighten the criteria for PIP and would ensure that awards were linked to actual extra costs incurred. It wouldn't be able to use to offset the costs of a family car that the family would be buying anyway.

Not getting your first choice is not the same as not having any choice.

Choosing a school for most people, means you can choose up to 6 local school's and it is up to you as the parent to facilitate the journey there/back. You might not get your first choice, you might have to make compremises, but you have options. You can use wrap around childcare to help. If you want to, you can put your child on the waiting list for your 1st choice, or put in an appeal which will be heard within a few weeks/months.

Choosing a school for a disabled child it a completely different system. You don't get to choose anything. You don't have options. The council chooses. You get told where your child goes. And you are still expected to get your child to/from this school (if under 3mi) but unlike a non-disabled child there are no breakfast clubs or after school clubs. No childminders. No childcare options. You are at the mercy of the council, even if what they decide is completely unsuitable. And that is up to age 22 because the child cannot make their own way to/from school like other teenagers. To contest any decisions they make takes years and you may need to pay lawyers. Waiting lists don't exist. And appeal waiting time for EHCP issues average 18 months. No choice. No other options. None. Nothing you can do.

A non-school example:
Someone with a physical disability needs to buy bread and milk.
A non-disabled person has the choice to walk to their local shop or drive and choose to park in any space available. If the car park is full, they can park round the corner and walk.
The person with the physical disability can't manage the 10 minute walk there and back and the only option is to drive. Not a choice. They can only park in 1 disabled space. No choice. Someone's already parked in the disabled space...no other options.

If you really can't see the difference between the choice or multiple options and possibilities that non-disabled people have over people with disabilities, you are beyond ignorant.

And as for "only" paying actual costs for PIP instead of a general amount - most people would bite your arm off at the chance for that to happen! PIP doesn't cover the actual expenses of their disability for most people.

alecks · 18/11/2025 14:37

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:46

@Octavia64
You can be disabled and not be eligible for those benefits. 25% of the population are disabled.

You also can't ignore AA allowance as disability skews towards the elderly. They are factually disabled. It is even more misleading to take the elderly's AA claims out of the stats but keep them in the population figure to work out the prevalance of disability amongst the population.

They won’t get a car on AA as there is no mobility element, so in the context of the thread they should be ignored.

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 15:07

With regard getting disabled children to school. I know just a couple of kids who go to special school they both get taxis provided by the council everyday (ordinary cars). One has a carer provided for this journey as well as he needs someone with him, don't know about the other, don't think he does though. I think most of the kids get to school by taxi.

x2boys · 18/11/2025 15:15

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 15:07

With regard getting disabled children to school. I know just a couple of kids who go to special school they both get taxis provided by the council everyday (ordinary cars). One has a carer provided for this journey as well as he needs someone with him, don't know about the other, don't think he does though. I think most of the kids get to school by taxi.

Most get to school by mini bus the LA puts the contract out to tender and taxi/ mini bus, firms bid for ,
Occasionally some might go by taxi but that will be due to need
There is probably about 8- 10 children on one mini bus with one passenger assistant and one driver..

x2boys · 18/11/2025 15:24

Marshmallow4545 · 18/11/2025 11:49

Being disabled doesn't mean someone is eligible for disability benefits
My oldest son is an insulin dependent diabetic, its classed as a disability under the equality act so he can ask for reasonable adjustments at college , work etc
For example he was diagnosed in year 11 just before his GCSE,s
He was fitted with a CGM the week before they started
He was allowed to bring his phone into the exam room and put it on the desk in front of him in case his blood sugars ,dropped it would alert him
He isn't however eligible for PIP as rightly he doesn't meet the criteria .

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 18/11/2025 15:35

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 15:07

With regard getting disabled children to school. I know just a couple of kids who go to special school they both get taxis provided by the council everyday (ordinary cars). One has a carer provided for this journey as well as he needs someone with him, don't know about the other, don't think he does though. I think most of the kids get to school by taxi.

It's all council dependent. My LA will do anything they possibly can to avoid paying for transport, even if it's not legal.

Springersrock · 18/11/2025 15:48

Being disabled doesn't mean someone is eligible for disability benefits

I would think a fair amount are eligible but don’t claim as well.

My daughter has disabilities, and probably would be eligible to claim PIP, but when she called up for the forms, the person answering the call was so completely and unbelievably vile to her that she burst into tears and has refused to try again.

Her disabilities meant she had an EHCP at school and college, access arrangements for exams and reasonable adjustments at work and now at uni as well as disabled students allowance, but doesn’t claim PIP

AnneShirleyBlythe · 18/11/2025 16:21

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 09:21

As I understand it PIP is for EXTRA (not shouting, just highlighting) costs of being disabled. A normal car isn't an extra cost, most people need a car.

Yes most of us run cars these days but disabled people rely on their car in ways us able bodied don’t. If my car breaks down I can walk to local shop, get lifts from family, use public transport etc. My DH is wheel chair reliant so having a newish reliable car is essential if he wants to go further than the local shop. WAV taxis need to booked well in advance, he can’t get a lift from our kids etc, bus service isn’t great & train involves booking in advance for ramp as our local station is now unmanned.

AnneShirleyBlythe · 18/11/2025 16:23

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 18/11/2025 15:35

It's all council dependent. My LA will do anything they possibly can to avoid paying for transport, even if it's not legal.

The DC I know getting school transport have parents who don’t drive.

x2boys · 18/11/2025 16:37

AnneShirleyBlythe · 18/11/2025 16:23

The DC I know getting school transport have parents who don’t drive.

It's based on diatance, and safety my sons special school is only about four miles away, but it would mean two buses with a child with no sense of danger,and challenging behaviour my husband does drive but works and this is going to annoy some people but we have a mobility car for my son, but we are allowed to use it as a family car and my husband drives it too and from work
So school transport is provided
The vast majority of the children who go to my sons special school are provided with school transport.

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 16:40

Kirbert2 · 18/11/2025 11:23

and the doctors just took her word for it? I'm really sorry that you went through that.

My son had cancer and is now disabled as a result. I didn't just write in his forms that he had cancer and now can't walk so please give me a car and they said, sure Audi or BMW? I had to provide evidence....15 pages of evidence to be exact.

The forms are also overwhelming and long and require so much detail right down to how many times a day you assist your child to wash if they require assistance to wash and how long does it take.

Yes, the doctors just took her word for it, I don't know what else they could have done - call her a liar? I used to have to go to see doctors, have tests and she would describe the fits (that I didn't have).

x2boys · 18/11/2025 16:48

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 16:40

Yes, the doctors just took her word for it, I don't know what else they could have done - call her a liar? I used to have to go to see doctors, have tests and she would describe the fits (that I didn't have).

I imagine these days they would have brain scans etc?

TigerRag · 18/11/2025 16:55

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 16:40

Yes, the doctors just took her word for it, I don't know what else they could have done - call her a liar? I used to have to go to see doctors, have tests and she would describe the fits (that I didn't have).

That's shocking. Especially as someone who did have epilepsy as a child and the doctors didn't believe my parents. They were imagining it apparently

Lifestooshort71 · 18/11/2025 17:12

x2boys · 18/11/2025 16:37

It's based on diatance, and safety my sons special school is only about four miles away, but it would mean two buses with a child with no sense of danger,and challenging behaviour my husband does drive but works and this is going to annoy some people but we have a mobility car for my son, but we are allowed to use it as a family car and my husband drives it too and from work
So school transport is provided
The vast majority of the children who go to my sons special school are provided with school transport.

You're right, this annoys me on first reading but presumably there is more to it?

AutisticAndMore · 18/11/2025 17:14

x2boys · 18/11/2025 16:37

It's based on diatance, and safety my sons special school is only about four miles away, but it would mean two buses with a child with no sense of danger,and challenging behaviour my husband does drive but works and this is going to annoy some people but we have a mobility car for my son, but we are allowed to use it as a family car and my husband drives it too and from work
So school transport is provided
The vast majority of the children who go to my sons special school are provided with school transport.

I’m amazed that the Council pay for transport when you have a Motability car. Is it impossible for your husband to take him for one reason or another?

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 18/11/2025 17:23

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 16:40

Yes, the doctors just took her word for it, I don't know what else they could have done - call her a liar? I used to have to go to see doctors, have tests and she would describe the fits (that I didn't have).

These days, neurologists would ask for

  1. videos on a smart phone of seizures
  2. an EEG, including attempts to provoke seizures such as getting the patient to blow on a paper windmill, flashing lights, etc
  3. an MRI scan of the brain
  4. seizure records, including analysis of the triggers, descriptions of the seizure and what happened afterwards by the parents and school
  5. video telemetry - an EEG while under video monitoring for 48 hours in hospital
  6. possibly genome sequencing to look for genes known to be connected with epilepsy
  7. a lumbar puncture to look at the transport of sugar (a cause of one type of epilepsy)
  8. if the patient is ever taken to A & E after a seizure, they do blood tests
  9. the past history of the patient through the pregnancy, birth and developmental milestones
  10. discussion about epilepsy in relatives
  11. the speech and language therapists’ reports (because the seizures and drugs affect language for the worse)

Those are just the basics - they can do other scans, such as when they put electrodes through the skull into the brain. They can also do therapeutic drug monitoring, when they do blood tests to assess the actual level of the drugs in the blood!

Sometimes, in DD’s case, they’ll increase the dose of drugs and ask a speech therapist to assess her language before and after the increase.

Social workers from the Children with Disabilities Team or the Transition team attended all annual reviews and other MDT meetings with the school.

When I applied for benefits for DD1 with severe epilepsy, it took me a day just to
photocopy the wealth of paper work by consultant neurologists, social services assessments of need and care plans, the SEND division at my LA, the schools, the speech and language therapists, OTs, educational psychologists….

x2boys · 18/11/2025 17:37

AutisticAndMore · 18/11/2025 17:14

I’m amazed that the Council pay for transport when you have a Motability car. Is it impossible for your husband to take him for one reason or another?

Well yes he's at work
He works shifts

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 17:56

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 18/11/2025 17:23

These days, neurologists would ask for

  1. videos on a smart phone of seizures
  2. an EEG, including attempts to provoke seizures such as getting the patient to blow on a paper windmill, flashing lights, etc
  3. an MRI scan of the brain
  4. seizure records, including analysis of the triggers, descriptions of the seizure and what happened afterwards by the parents and school
  5. video telemetry - an EEG while under video monitoring for 48 hours in hospital
  6. possibly genome sequencing to look for genes known to be connected with epilepsy
  7. a lumbar puncture to look at the transport of sugar (a cause of one type of epilepsy)
  8. if the patient is ever taken to A & E after a seizure, they do blood tests
  9. the past history of the patient through the pregnancy, birth and developmental milestones
  10. discussion about epilepsy in relatives
  11. the speech and language therapists’ reports (because the seizures and drugs affect language for the worse)

Those are just the basics - they can do other scans, such as when they put electrodes through the skull into the brain. They can also do therapeutic drug monitoring, when they do blood tests to assess the actual level of the drugs in the blood!

Sometimes, in DD’s case, they’ll increase the dose of drugs and ask a speech therapist to assess her language before and after the increase.

Social workers from the Children with Disabilities Team or the Transition team attended all annual reviews and other MDT meetings with the school.

When I applied for benefits for DD1 with severe epilepsy, it took me a day just to
photocopy the wealth of paper work by consultant neurologists, social services assessments of need and care plans, the SEND division at my LA, the schools, the speech and language therapists, OTs, educational psychologists….

Edited

I don't think I had any of that, not that I remember. I just remember hospital appointments sat in a chair while my mum talked and some basic tests. I would hope she would have refused permission for some of those invasive tests (knowing there was nothing wrong with me). She never gave me the tablets, only when I was away with the school did I have to take them. I couldn't get a driving licence until I was in my 20s because I had to have evidence of no seizures for many years.

Kendodd · 18/11/2025 17:58

No mobility car though, she couldn't drive.

AutisticAndMore · 18/11/2025 18:00

x2boys · 18/11/2025 17:37

Well yes he's at work
He works shifts

Little wonder that councils are collapsing under the weight of transport costs. And yes they don’t help themselves either(Mine merged two special schools into one huge one which was a big mistake imo for various reasons) but it seems like madness for tax payers to pay out twice on transport for one child. Most in my council area seem to have individual taxis too. That may be justifiable in some circumstances e.g if they have to travel with medical equipment or are a danger to other pupils but otherwise it seems like a waste of money when mini buses could be used. And it is near impossible to get a taxi at school run times because of this in my small county. And that can be a real issue for me and other disabled people who don’t have access to a car.

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