To be scared about how we will cope with more tax rises - council tax

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i really loathe this government. Usually with politics I feel like whoever is in charge I don’t notice much of a direct impact on my day to day life. Yes I’m aware of slow erosions in public services and I was no fan at all of the tories, I voted for this government im ashamed to say, and they lied and lied about their plans. I am so much worse off and if they double council tax bands virtually all of our disposable income is going to be gone. It feels like theft. I don’t trust them to spend the money I make properly it all feels corrupt and it’s just so depressing and upsetting.

Many people would disagree with you. Many people would rather pay more taxes to fund the NHS properly and have a functioning, fair society than vote a bunch of racists into government.

Sadly far too many people seem to only read tabloid headlines and X posts and leap to unfounded knee-jerk reactions over a budget which has not even been announced yet.

The French are in hot water financially, refusing to take any benefit cuts or rises in state pension age. Their "choices" may get taken away by the IMF at some point. I wouldn't hold them up as a model to follow.

Yes, I live on a newish estate and pretty much every house in my street is band F or G. They’re mostly detached mind but significantly less land and in most cases less floor space than the older houses in the (better connected and more expensive) town down the road which are all lower bands! There needs to be a relook at how these things are worked out.

Reading this apparent ‘policy’ properly it’s just a blunt instrument from the beginning of a study, it won’t and shouldn’t happen.

Yes it’s unsustainable for it to be so high.

Exactly! Do the maths

If you think simply paying a bit more tax will fully fund the NHS then you are deluded. The reality is that more tax is needed to simply tread water and service the debt we have accrued. We need to raise tax even further to actually start paying down the debt. Maybe after this we can look at the astronomical costs of funding a healthcare model like the NHS when we have an aging population that is getting sicker and more expensive by the day.

Look at projected costs for welfare payments by 2030. Look at disability benefits. Look at pensions. Look at it all.

People might be willing to pay a bit more tax but I can almost guarantee that the vast majority aren't willing to pay anywhere enough tax to get the NHS working how you suggest or to deliver the kind of society you envisage.

The left also said repeatedly it can’t be as bad as the tories all the time. In the short time they have been in government they doubled the debt. They are incompetent and corrupt. They really do stand for the illegals and underclass.

We moved into a new build last year, and I think our council tax is E or F I am terrified of them increasing it, we are only just managing as it is. I feel so worried.

Honestly, they could make income tax 100% for everyone and it still wouldn’t be enough to fund the NHS. We’re just throwing good money after bad now. It’s not fixable - it needs a complete reform.

Yes I agree. It’s total mismanagement of money, same with local authority funds in my opinuon

Me too. It would be horrendous. I am in nothing that special or posh. Yes the area is great, but not my home. But what is annoying me is that my neighbours were allowed to put a large extension on but they are not charged the higher band, only any new purchasers. Not ok.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/168096638#/?channel=RES_NEW

3 bed semi-detached in Winchester. Band G.

The problem is Labour seem to think if you have a top band house, by default, you have hundreds of spare pounds a month just lying about, ready for them to gobble up into a big black hole. They used the same logic with private school parents - who by default, wouldn’t miss paying an extra £400 a month in VAT. It’s bollocks on both counts obviously, but they haven’t worked that out yet.

They are going to bleed us all dry. There will be no point in working or getting promotions at this rate.

@Tryingtokeepgoing · Today 13:15

''It’s not credible that 23% of the population are disabled. It is believable that 23% meet the criteria for claiming disability benefits, but that just means that those criteria are incorrect. But, there’s no political will to challenge this - look at what happened when a government with huge majority tried to it gave up, back tracked and spent even more!''

Stop the random ableism and look at the actual facts:

• we have an ageing population so of course more people are going to be classed as disabled
• NHS waiting lists and mental health services and social care being underfunded and overwhelmed by demand means that people can't access the support they need and instead just keep getting worse
• Only 33% of people who are disabled actually claim PIP
• You might remember that little thing called Covid which affected the nation's mental and physical health....

But of course it is so much easier to believe the Daily Mail and right wing politicians and shout ''scroungers''...

Water in England and Wales was privatised in 1989 by the Tories under Margaret Thatcher.

"The government sold off ten previously public regional monopolies...The private English water companies are at least 70% owned by foreign shareholders" Source: WeOwnIt

England's Water: "The Worlds Piggy Bank "- Source

How are we supposed to afford this as a country though? We can’t.

Why should a house worth £875k be paying less than 3x what band A is paying?

A lot of the mansions in London band H pay less council tax than our band C house, do you think that is right.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/166001948

this property is worth over 6x less than the property in band G but, the property G will be paying less than 3 times the council tax

around £1470 for band A and G is £3711

so 2.5 times more but the value is 6.25 more

no, which is surely what this measure of raising the council tax on properties over D would be looking rectify and why it’s being looked at

if band H can never be 3x more than band A that’s never going to be rectified

But that is what Labour do! Why anyone voted for them is beyond me!

Many of us agree with you OP.

This government is the most deceitful and incompetent in recent history.

Watch Reeves again attempt to gaslight us all later today.

It's not going to be rectified though is it, those mansions in London will still be paying much less than other places in the country, maybe they should do something about that but that will affect their London voters

But they didn’t? There wasn’t a landslide victory for labour in terms of real time numbers. Proportionally labour got an equivalent number of votes as the previous election. People who would have voted Conservative defected to Reform.
Whilst they have a mandate based on the numbers to form a government thanks to change in the voting trends a lot of people did not vote for those policies.