Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor : Why did the Queen protect him & was she complicit?

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Queen Elizabeth was very well aware of the seriousness of the allegations against Andrew, and of the testimony of his victim. She very likely knew there were more allegations against him by more victims. Yet she still protected him. She refused to take any action, other than bailing him out by paying paid out millions of pounds to settle legal claims against him by his victim.

Queen Elizabeth was part of the culture of denial & cover-up of serious crimes. Is this a serious stain on her reputation as monarch, and should there now be an enquiry into what she knew, and when, before we start putting up statues to this woman?

They are Honorary medals and sort of come with the job. An internet search will probably tell you more. There will be a hierarchy of medals from Order of the Garter down thro various military awards.

She was well into her 90s by that stage and as close to retired as she could get

I can see why she'd have thought this was one for Charles

But yes, she appears to have chosen to turn a blind eye

He believed himself to be just as desirable in late middle age and took it for granted

Andrew is late middle-aged now - he would have been aged 41 at the time.

That's a definite "no", because there is absolutely zero evidence that Andrew is or was a paedophile. He may have slept with a trafficked young woman, and he has definitely lied, but those offences are completely different to paedophilia. Facts are important.

It's not just VG and it's not just Epstein, he hasn't just slept with "a trafficked woman". The news stories about 40 prostitutes being delivered to his room in 4 days in Thailand show that VG is just the American "prostitute" who squealed and the tip of the iceberg. There will be 40 VGs in every developing country he did business in who won't get to come forward. This is the person.
All would have been known to the late Queen as he was "working" as a trade envoy when these events occurred. The minimising is ridiculous, King Charles definitely knew as he advised against giving him the role in the first place as all he would do is "chase women". His security detail all knew. The people he was doing deals with who sourced the "prostitutes" all knew. There is probably Diddy style video of him doing all sorts with how indiscrete he was and he is a prime target for blackmail by any government with an internet connection. A lot of people knew at the time, but it sounds like the media is finally ready to share with the rest of us, so he's out. He's not out because of what he did, he's out because the general public know.

The minimising on this topic is bizarre. Of course he knew what he was doing.

The minimising on this topic is bizarre. Of course he knew what he was doing.

I noticed that too.

For goodness' sake, please don't go down the route of sullying the reputation of our late, much-loved Queen. It's a pointless exercise, anyway.

The RF can’t have it both ways!

She was a mother and also the Head of State with a duty to her subjects which did not include covering up alleged corruption and sexual misdemeanours by one of her offspring!

This is actually what irritates me the most about the RF and why they need to be subject to an official register, or even better we have a fully accountable and elected HoS.

Currently, there is too much overlap between “oh this is a private family matter” when it suits them. Ditto the murky divisions between private and public funding with no proper oversight or accountability,

Any other British institution or professional body simply would not be permitted to operate in this way. Nor would they allowed to be self-policing.

Well if you look up the details behind the reasons why Michael Fawcett resigned from being Charles’s right-hand man, was it three times, then the details are not very reassuring! Lots of enquiries over alleged cash for access, the alleged laundering of gifts, allegedly circumventing citizenship requests, alleged bullying, etc. All investigated internally or by the Met with predictably “nothing to see” outcomes!
So all above board apparently, Mmmmmm.

In other words, I reckon what Andrew has been doing financially, is just an extreme version of what they all do to a degree, but he was too thick and blatant about it to
escape notice.

Overall I prefer a constitutional Monarchy - presidents? Some are awful aren’t they? How do you choose one? Some failed politician? The constitutional monarchy works well.

Wallis Simpson is the only reason we did not have a Nazi sympathiser on the throne in WW2. I would not call that working well.

Why not?

^ This.

It takes a lot for any mother to disown her child, whatever they've done. Okay, what he did was pretty vile, but he's not a serial killer.

Andrews shady behaviour has been going on for decades! She was Charles's mother too. She refused to listen to his concerns about the Trade envoy role and dumped him in a steaming pile of shit from beyond the grave. She probably still believed everyonewould cover everything up forever- until it was too late.

Obviously because she was terrible person as well. People only defended her because she represents an institution that they love tugging their forelocks at.

It's pathetic really. Abolish the monarchy. I wish we had seen it happen in the Queen's lifetime. Bunch of bloated parasites sucking the tax payer dry.

She didnt have to disown him. She has to tell him his behaviour was unacceptable, that he needed to treat staff with respect, that he needed to stop him and his wifes outrageous profligacy, that he should not be using Royal visits to shag prostitutes etc. Or Philip should have done it, although he probably wouldnt have seen a problem with the prostitutes. It is beyond comprehension that she didnt know what he was like.

No, he only raped trafficked women.

Why not? Much loved by who? And why do you love her? You didn't know her.

Don't speak ill of the dead - they cannot answer. I think you will find that the late Queen was much loved by the majority of the population - I respected her and thought she did a fantastic job as Head of State. OK??

Not saying you can’t respect TLQ, although I can’t see why. I am saying you can’t demand that I do.

This is entirely it. The little matter of democracy aside, Andrew could now easily have been the king if his older brother had died before having children.

Maybe we're fortunate that Charles and their mother keep/kept their noses relatively clear... or, for all we know they could be/have been even worse in any of various ways than Andrew.

I'm supposing that the reputation of somebody who will actually likely be king or queen one day will be guarded even more carefully than that of another royal who won't be k/q. I still think that Charles' very close friendship with JS would have been scrutinised far more closely if he'd just been a politician or 'ordinary' celebrity.

Ranks will be closed very tightly around them - whether they are honourable or not. Plus, how many people would want to speak out and risk falling foul of somebody who will one day be the monarch? I know they don't send them to the tower like their ancestors did these days, but they do have immense power if they want to use it; although they like to spread the narrative that their power is only nominal and ceremonial.

Theoretically, the monarch could walk up to an enemy and stab or shoot them in cold blood in the middle of thousands of witnesses - even live on TV - and the only person who would have the ultimate power to bring them to justice would be themselves.

To be fair, nobody else had the remotest chance of ever being allowed to do a comparable job whilst she was alive, for us to be able to judge whether or not she did a fantastic job as head of state in the UK of that time.

It's a bit like saying that Elton John has done a fantastic job of being Elton John throughout his life! It's kind of a given!

I remember Private Eye pointing out Andrew[s Pitch@Palace setup was megadodgy too, and that must have been in the 90s.

Edit: it was in the 2010s. Time flies.

Uncomfortable truth innit.
As soon as I see the words "witch hunt" pop up (which they are doing increasingly regularly now) then I stop reading and scroll onto the next.