Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor : Why did the Queen protect him & was she complicit?

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Queen Elizabeth was very well aware of the seriousness of the allegations against Andrew, and of the testimony of his victim. She very likely knew there were more allegations against him by more victims. Yet she still protected him. She refused to take any action, other than bailing him out by paying paid out millions of pounds to settle legal claims against him by his victim.

Queen Elizabeth was part of the culture of denial & cover-up of serious crimes. Is this a serious stain on her reputation as monarch, and should there now be an enquiry into what she knew, and when, before we start putting up statues to this woman?

@user1471453601 i believe that the king has written to parliament to remove the peerage titles (duke/Earl) so it is parliament who does it.

If nothing else she was surely aware of the infamous ‘I can’t sweat’ interview and could probably think of some occasion since 1982 when she’d seen her son sweat…

They say the same thing about Virginia Giuffre. I find it a bit different to believe that all the players involved in this are being murdered one by one but I accept I could be wrong.

Really? I doubt they were on beach holidays or playing tennis together once Andrew was an adult.

It is not a good outlook

I was going to say something like this.

It’s worth saying just how peculiar the Windsors are (or were). The first son would be monarch (eventually) and the younger sons were expected to go into the Armed Forces - partly because it was not considered acceptable for them to go into “trade”. Being the Duke of York is sometimes thought of as rather a cursed role - the DoY is told how extremely important he is but he doesn’t actually do anything particularly special.

The wives are watched constantly - their hair, clothes, weight. Newspapers print mad stories about their children. It’s not that surprising that a spoilt man (who is not all that smart) believes that pretty young women are keen to sleep with him even when he’s middle aged.

Because he was her son, and she was human.

People do absolutely moronic things for their kids all the time. That doesn't change just because you're one of the lizard people

I agree. This is always going to happen when you are family where one child knows from birth that they will get everything, gets special treatment and the others are destined to just become more and more irrelevant as time goes on, living off hanouts from their parent/sibling etc. Plus you still have a sense of entitlement over everyone else. I agree Andrew just probably couldnt care less about how old she was or what she was doing there. I think thsts one of the reasons why his is the only name thats come up. The others probably have a bit more cunning whereas he though because he was a Prince he could do what he liked.

But part of parenting is not allowing your children to get away with everything. This was not just one thing. He was spoilt, rude to staff, getting up to all kinds of shady behaviour and she always took his side.

Of course she knew that he’s a massive danger and has almost certainly been protecting him in various ways all of his life. It’s laughable
to think she was given only parts of the info over the years to somehow protect her (and no one would think people would do the same to the King as they get older- it’s the sexiest and ageist idea that an older lady can’t possibly deal with the truth). She was in charge and wouldn’t tolerate that bullshit.

The Windsors are peculiar, of course, but the heir and the spares pattern, while particularly extreme in that family, is one that exists, or has existed in many aristocratic families. The difference is that there were often jobs for the spares. Governing New South Wales, getting killed in wars in far away countries, managing tea plantations or estates, being a spy, having proper careers in the Services-unlike the RF who only seem to be allowed to serve for a short time, even if they’re good at it.

I agree that he doesnt think he did anything wrong. I doubt he checked ages and its implied there were even younger girls at the parties.
I think Rotheram is a bit more different, the blind eye was due to the men being Asian not because they didnt understand trafficking.

No but I'm sure the trooping of the colour in full uniform would be sweat inducing...

I'm sure if my son developed a bizarre and medically improbable condition as a result of military service it may come up in conversation?

I suspect that Andrew grew up in a world where people were quite sneery about “normal” jobs (trade). I remember a load of Prince William’s friends calling Catherine “Doors to manual” because her mum had been an air hostess. Plus if a senior member of the royal family (which Andrew was then) got a job with Unilever (say), it could be seen as an endorsement of that company.

It’s a terrible thing, to tell a young person that money is extremely important but it’s beneath them to earn it.

I'm not a royalist. I think we should get rid of the lot of them. Bunch of leaches.

HOWEVER, I have a lot of respect for QE. I think she made some errors during her reign, but she was human. And I think with AMW being the favourite child, she was blinded to his faults and believed his lies.

I think it shows she was fallible. But despite being probably the most successful monarch since QE1, she was human. She made a HUGE error. But which of us doesn't with our children? Admittedly, hers was off the scale. But...

I assume it is a real condition, albeit I agree Andrew probably doesn’t have it.

But if he had said “the doctor came last week, chap has diagnosed me with anhidrosis, means I can’t sweat apparently, that’s strange, isn’t it, Mama?” - wouldn’t a reasonable position be to believe him, not demand a copy of the doctor’s notes?

Or if he had said, “I met VG, I didn’t have sex with her, I don’t know why I said that about not being able to sweat, I panicked.”

As far as I know (and please do correct me if I am wrong) - Andrew hasn’t ever been questioned under oath.

Lying in a TV interview isn’t perjury and I doubt he’s the only member of the RF to have done so.

I think she was ruthless and wanted to protect the firm at all costs. She didn't care about the women he abused. A woman who doesn't care about abused women is not someone who should be a Queen.

Well, that’s the thing about hereditary monarchy, we don’t get to choose the character of the monarch.

Overall I prefer a constitutional Monarchy - presidents? Some are awful aren’t they? How do you choose one? Some failed politician? The constitutional monarchy works well.

That doesn’t mean they have to stay as they are. The Queen definitely saw Andrew as special. The RF can never get the role of the spares right and after military service they have no idea what to do and no skills anyone really wants. They have too much free time and clearly don’t regulate themselves properly. Charles is forgiven for having a long term mistress and they simply do what they want without any real question.

Charles has 40 houses! We don’t need a RF with this much, it needs stripping out and less pomp and flummery. Less dressing up in uniforms too. Anne had taken to wearing a uniform to present. Honours! Why? Just be more normal. Andrew was brought up in this world and William and Kate need to ditch a lot of it for their dc and get them work.

I’m sure he did-that’s why my suggested list of “jobs” that would have been considered suitable for aristocratic younger sons which largely don’t exist any more.

Can I ask why you have respect for TLQ?

How does Anne have so many medals on her uniform (costume.) Did she do active service.( I don"t follow the RF as a Republican!)

The fact that kate barely speaks means she is not one to rock the boat when she becomes Queen. I hope the 2 'spares' can work as they'll never have to be on the throne. I'm not sure what jobs they could do unless they go into the army

Queen Mother barely spoke either. Neither did Andrew. At least Kate saw her parents work.

Meghan speaks and that's why the press turned against her. I'm sure mysogyny is more at play than racism (although not being of colour myself means my opinion about racism is not as valid as hers)