A good answer to "how many asylum seekers do you have living with you?"

[SomersetBrie]

I see this quite a lot in a fairly supportive group I belong to.
Lots of people dispelling the myth that asylum seekers are raking it in, taking jobs and benefits, etc.
A positive space and then someone comes in saying "if you are so supportive of asylum seekers, how many fighting age men do you have living with you?"
It really annoys me! It's possible to be supportive of a cause without actually taking people in.
All I can think of is really rude responses, I'd like something measured and decent and not allow them to get away with shutting people down with that.

(and I know I'll get negative responses to this post, but I will be super grateful to anyone who can come up with something I can use)

The amounts of money being spent on these economic migrant’s accommodation costs is appalling. Add to that the costs of the criminal system, etc, etc. Wow!

It’s never lost on me that the only people who support high levels of asylum immigration are middle class professionals in lovely houses in leafy areas, whose main contact with immigration is ‘my wonderful doctors and nurses I see at the hospital’ because let’s face it, they don’t live on a road with asylum HMOs and they don’t work in their hotels.

Unless you would be happy for an asylum hotel or HMO to start up next door to you, don’t fucking cheer it on for other people.

This year has seen a woman gang raped in public, many more rapes, schoolgirls sexually harassed, a migrant hotel woman employee murdered, and multiple cases of flashing, indecent behaviour, not to mention standard violence.

Let me ask you a question. We had some 100,000 men from Hong Kong immigrate to the UK in the last couple of years. Why am I yet to see a single story about one of them raping somebody?

Charity starts at home, love. If you wouldn’t want them in the same room as you, why should any other British people have to be near them?

I’ve seen this a lot also, normally the people who say they want to protect “are” women and children and homeless veterans.

So I ask them how many homeless veterans they have housed and if they foster, normally they haven’t, just like not many people have taken in any refugees.

I also like to ask people who just comment “VOTE REFORM!” everywhere what they think of Reforms manifesto, I’m yet to have a reply

I wouldn’t have anyone I didn’t know very well (male or female) living in my home and around my children. Their safety and security always comes first. That would be my answer.

Would you say there’s not much difference between the cultures wrt women and girls?

I suggest you go and live in Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait .... and the rest. Then come back and tell me how un-misogynistic you found the experience. To try and conflate women's rights in the UK to those in any of the aforementioned countries is an appalling insult to those women who face discrimination at every turn. Sharia law demands four male witnesses to rape (which is impossible) and additionally a woman must prove (through notable physical injury) that she did everything in her power to fight off her assailant. If she died in the process she is automatically exonerated from illegal fornication or adultery, which is a relief isn't it! Women must also operate most aspect of their lives through male guardians (husband, brother, father) including travel, marriage and employment. To suggest that men are fleeing misogyny is adding insult to injury. Men are not subject to misogyny. They might be fleeing something but it isn't anything I've mentioned above. And to try and imply that they have any more sympathy with women and women's rights is an additional insult.

I'm happy to support actual refugees

Those "refugees" from Egypt who raped that poor woman in a park? Get fucked.

I said similar but got the response that it’s ONLY £ 4 million a day, and if we stopped paying it tomorrow it wouldn’t make much difference! That’s without all the medical, dental, legal , translating etc fees!

Nobody ‘supports high levels of asylum immigration’ and Nobidy is happy with the small boats. What people support is this country behaving in a compassionate way that is in line with our legal obligations. We’d all prefer there to be no need for anyone to claim asylum anywhere.
I’m not aware of crime statistics showing a change, do you have evidence for that? A young Sikh woman was recently gang raped in public by white men. Are you protesting about that? I’d actually be very surprised if no rapes had been committed by a random group of 100,000 men (though that’s probably an over reaction to fucking constant male sexual bad behaviour). Maybe you haven’t seen a news report because it’s not deemed newsworthy - like the vast majority of rapes. Ask yourself why you’ve heard so many stories about rapes by asylum seekers when the stats don't suggest they commit them at a higher rate than any other group.

I don’t want to live in those places - for the same reasons a lot of asylum seekers don’t. But to pretend women and girls are respected and there’s no misogyny in the U.K. is bonkers.

But the two are synonymous. If you think accepting anyone from an unstable country to live in the UK is ‘compassionate’ then de facto you support high or uncontrolled immigration as there will always be hundreds of millions of people in such countries.

Thanks for this post @ginasevernthe we’re just as bad here doesn’t help and isn’t correct.

And why oh WHY do people use ‘but wHITe Men RaPE tOO’ as a mic drop for letting yet more rapists into the country? Women are getting raped already so what’s a few more rapists?! That’s a terrible excuse

What makes you think people do ‘t want to be in a room with them? I’ve been in rooms with lots of asylum seekers for various reasons. I don’t want anyone living in my house. It’s my private space.

We should apply that to our home grown street homeless too.
Imagine living in a country where those from abroad with no means of support are housed and fed and you're left on the streets to freeze and starve.

Some animals definitely live in houses!

I think the biggest difference in how many men act is either their internal conscience or what they think they can get away with (depending on the man).

• Transplant some British born and bred men into Amsterdam and they will happily pay to put their penises inside sex trafficked Eastern European women with no shame or remorse
• If a Dutch man goes to the UK specifically to rape a 13 year old, it's a big suprise and very unfair he has to serve in prison for a whole year 😥
• Give some men lots of money/no consequences they will cheerily rape children on an Island. Or only joke about the orgies and "interesting friends" their mate Jeffrey had. Mandleson, Maxwell, Epstein himself were all white and western raised. But everyone else was fine with it at the time so it seemed like there was nothing wrong
• If a British army guy in Kenya finds out his colleague murdered a 20 year old woman and left her body in a septic tank it's just material for jolly good bants.
• If someone from South Asia is told western girls don't matter, and the local Yorkshire police tell them that indeed, Western girls don't matter some of them will do horrible things.

Culture matters but we are all way more susceptible to the immediate reactions of people around us, and the immediate risk of social or criminal punishment than we like to think. If you want to make people not commit horrible crimes - create an environment of consequences. Don't kid yourself that all we need to keep women safe is "Western culture" because it really isn't. It's too vague and abstract and humans are to good at cognitive dissonance ("yes rape is bad, but I'm not a bad person so this cant really be rape").

Where did I say I’d accept anyone? We are talking about those who are here. My view is that the issue needs an international response, with agreed numbers country by country. It’s not a problem that’s going away in an unstable world and with increasing environmental issues.

It’s an absolutely fair enough question.

After all, loads of people got involved with hosting refugees from Ukraine.

Why shouldn’t people step up and home these guys if they believe so passionately about it?

We aren’t letting ‘rapists’ into the country. We are letting men into the country. Some may be (will be, by law of averages) rapists or violent or thieves. The asylum variety are no more likely to be that than those born here or immigrating by other means. Should we just stop male babies being born?

Western culture can’t keep everyone safe, I don’t think anyone has posted that.

But I know where I’d prefer to be as a woman with a dd, and ds actually, it’s an easy choice. I wonder about posters who see no difference and post it’s just as bad here if they really do think that.

Maybe try -
I can't have them live with me because I have young children but I pay regularly to charities who support them on top of my usual taxes.

You know most British homeless are in hotels, yes? Sleeping rough is only a tiny part of homelessness. If someone is sleeping rough it’s probable that they have had opportunities to be housed but don’t want them or can’t cope with the rules - they have issues that we do need to deal with. But the ‘look after our own homeless first’ is nonsense we do both already.

I just don't get why people don't see this. People can deny it happens all they like but it does happen and some of these men come from cultures where they can marry a 12yr old, what hope do we have in changing their thinking. In the town next to me which is over run (yes I said it over run) the same man assaulted 2 women in one day!