A good answer to "how many asylum seekers do you have living with you?"

[SomersetBrie]

I see this quite a lot in a fairly supportive group I belong to.
Lots of people dispelling the myth that asylum seekers are raking it in, taking jobs and benefits, etc.
A positive space and then someone comes in saying "if you are so supportive of asylum seekers, how many fighting age men do you have living with you?"
It really annoys me! It's possible to be supportive of a cause without actually taking people in.
All I can think of is really rude responses, I'd like something measured and decent and not allow them to get away with shutting people down with that.

(and I know I'll get negative responses to this post, but I will be super grateful to anyone who can come up with something I can use)

Yes, they are. So why don’t we stop it by allowing them to apply from somewhere else? Or having some sort of balanced policy?
They don’t have to stop in the first safe country. Or the last before us, which France is.

Immigrants arent causing t( divide. Opportunist politicians are.

I said none of that.
You can’t stop people coming completely. We need an agreed system to accept the most vulnerable and support the others to stay put/move less far.

I'm not sure what your preferred policy is. Is it that you would like to have some kind of formal resettlement programme that uses some objective criteria to select the most vulnerable (families with children perhaps? or specific countries/warzones higher priority?) rather than whoever shows up?

What in practice are the mechanisms you'd use to "support others to stay put", and what will you do if too many people use their free will to come anyway despite not meeting your "most vulnerable" criteria?

Cardibach

Where have I said immigrants themselves are causing the devide . I said the issue of immigration and goverment policies or non policies is causing the devide and until they get to grips with it it will cause devide . It’s dividing this country or else we wouldn’t have forums on the subject as we have here. Also it wouldn’t be a daily news topic like it is. I have views on immigration some you might agree with some you might not that’s your prerogative so your don’t try and get your opinion across by saying I posted something which I have not

I’m not a professional politician. It’s not my job to come up with plans. It’s just patently obvious to anyone using their brains that this problem isn’t going away and governments will need to work together on it.

Sorry, but what is ‘It’ in this quotation if it isn’t immigration (which involves immigrants)?
It’s gone way too far for that, but unless they make a start and if the average Joe in the streets can see how much harm it’s doing to countries and communities and the devide it’s causing predominately in the west then it’s about time they started ,and stopped spouting lies and making promises

Another one. It’s a weekly occurrence, sometimes more

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15211583/amp/Asylum-seeker-arrested-alleged-sex-assault-ten-year-old-girl-near-Dublin-asylum-centre.html

It’s at no higher rate than other groups. And Dublin isn’t U.K., just FYI. If he was just arrested in Dublin but lived in the U.K., apologies as I won’t give the Mail clicks. But I’m assuming not, as U.K. asylum seekers dont have that kind of cash.
Papers like the Mail make a big splash about every criminal case involving an asylum seeker, proven or not. If they started doing it about, say, bin men, do you think you might suddenly find it’s a weekly or more occurrence that one of them commits a crime too? (No offence to bin men. They don’t commit crime at higher rates than other groups - which is the point).

Which other groups? Give we have had some 100,000 men from Hong Kong arrive in the last couple of years, can you point to multiple cases where they have raped or sexually assaulted anyone please?

Look at the point I’ve made. Neither you nor I know how many HK men have committed crimes because it’s not splashed all over the press when they do. Wonder why that is?

No, we need a system to accept people who would benefit the U.K., scientists, teachers, doctors etc, not those who will be a burden on the state!

Stranger rape is 10% of all rape, it nearly always makes the news as it is rare. I simply do not believe that there is a conspiracy for even small local newspapers to hush up rapes committed by men from Hong Kong in order to smear asylum seekers. If you do, then hop on board alongside the anti vaxxers and people who think everything was a ‘Mossad Agent’. There is no hope for you.

I'm supportive of the RSPCA but my house isn't stuffed with old donkeys.

I support the NHS too but I don't want a queue of people having hip replacements on my dining room table.

These are great replies!

Like say, care workers or farm labourers? We have many needs. Immigrants usually contribute. Immigration is a net economic benefit to the state.

You really think all stranger rapes get in the press?
They don’t.

Force the unemployed to do it.

If 8 million immigrants hasn’t been enough to fill key roles and the answer is ‘more immigration’, have you ever paused to even wonder if it’s working?

cardibach
I think your just trying to split hairs here I am referring to the issue of various governments here and abroad not addressing an issue that was going to blow up in their faces, so it’s a shame for people trying to enter the country legally and build a life and yes I do think because so many people have entered the country illegally and the government hasn’t dealt with the issue we are having the problems we have now ,Happy now?

as does asking disingenuous questions about housing asylum seekers.

Like what? You’ve made your position clear - the lengths you will go to to convince yourself immigration is nothing but a positive, and we’re not overcrowded, and it isn’t putting a strain on the country, and that men from the most misogynistic regimes in the world aren’t misogynistic, are absolutely boundless.

I could say anything and you would say the stats are lying, there’s a big conspiracy etc

There’s no hope for you

i could reword that all about you.
For the record I’ve said we do need a solution to some of the issues but it will need to be international, so you are totally wrong anyway.
I don’t need your hope, thanks. I’m perfectly happy.

You said about accepting vulnerable people- we have enough of our own, thanks! We have a million Brits, not working or in education. Apart from those who really cannot work, get those who can, get off their bums and fill the vacancies!

I guess the answer is yes - but not enough to have any of them live with me.

I care a bit - enough to give a £5 a month direct debit, or make a donation at Christmas - not enough to make my life uncomfortable.

Edit to say the people who actually are "putting their money where there mouth is" and having an asylum seeker living with them - or someone homeless with complex problems etc - you are angels and I hope no harm comes to you.

Winter2020 I think this the reality for most people but I do agree people there are special people out there who genuinely try to make a difference and I take my hat off to them 👏