ID cards

[StrongLikeMamma]

What’s wrong with them?

Why are they any better than our current ID forms?

Honestly would love to understand more. I can’t really get worked up about them…. But then also feel they’re probably a massive waste of money right now. What do you all think?

If the current forms of ID are passport and driving license, their thinking will be that not everyone has them.

I hope they stop us having to produce a recent utility bill, because who has paper bills these days, I always have to turn the printer on to print one out, then there’s no paper or ink!

I'm all for a National ID card just not in digital format - I don't trust this government will be able to keep that information secure enough and not all people have smart phones.

What forms of ID do we have, then? I don’t have a passport, and while I do have a driving licence it’s an old paper one with no photo on.

I think ID cards are a reasonable idea, but I’m not so keen on them being digital.

Hmm not the most compelling arguments.. why not just make everyone get a passport then? Surely that would be cheaper as most people have one already?

Agree the digital option doesn’t seem like a good idea!

I don’t think @PersephoneParlormaid’s printer having no ink will be factored into the government’s decision 😆

Your passport doesn’t have an address on it etc, so although you can show your name and photo, it doesn’t prove residency or tax status. The idea of the ID card is that it’ll replace the need to find utility bills and council tax statements as well as a photo ID to prove eligibility for certain services. A physical ID card would not immediately update when you change address, or jobs, whereas a digital one would pool that information instantly, removing the need to physically having to declare them and having someone verify that in an office.

A costly complete waste of time that could, no doubt, be illegally cloned by able groups in no time.

This is the concern.

Is this worth the millions it will no doubt cost to introduce? I just can’t see it will make enough difference to anything. I’m not being disingenuous here, I’d love to understand.

It’s not just about having an ID card. In theory it’s about making the state ‘smarter’ by linking up an individual to a whole host of public sector services or departments. Estonia is often quoted as the blueprint where everything in public life is managed digitally with one login.

I think, yet again, the government has cocked up the announcement, linking it to cracking illegal working, when in reality there are other aspects of the scheme they should be talking about. It also seemed to come out of nowhere which is why people are possibly confused. And it would cost a lot of money.

As long as Fujitsu don't get the contract, I don't see why not. I quite like the French system though which is a physical document and then an app for those with smartphones which allows you to access all sorts of things.

I’m sure it’ll offset the millions spent on manual checks currently 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yet many of the countries who use these digital id systems have been hacked in recent years losing thousands of data records.
Estonia, Denmark and India have all had their systems hacked in recent years, and yet KS has quoted those systems as examples of how good the system can be.
At least with the current forms of ID there are some bits of data not common to both.
I am not a technophobe but I just don't think the security around these systems is good enough

Spent by who?

The criminal amount of money wasted on the whole covid app debacle doesn’t inspire confidence either.

You can just download and upload them as PDFs?

As long as there is a card version as I don't use a phone a lot, I certainly don't have any apps on it like banking or NHS app which I guess this will be similar too

Gov? LAs? HMRC? DWP? Literally anyone that would need to process stacks of paperwork.

An example - I wanted to register both my kids for a proxy to gain access to their services on my NHS app. I had to bring in my passport, their birth certificates, fill out a paper form and sign it. Someone then had to scan those documents, send them off to a department that processes those requests, it took 3 weeks to grant access because someone had to manually check them and input my information. Digital ID in this instance would enable them to take a code and tick a box.

If you really think this is about the government helping us out the kindness of their heart think again . It’s to control us.
I read on a post the other day oh great means I won’t have to take out loads of id with me to the pub I can just put a card in my pocket … these people are the type of people the government love , they don’t ask questions and can just be sheep herded.

I’ve read a lot about these ID cards and if you agree with them you need to do more research ….

there isn’t a petition going round to stop them for no reason ….

It puts your ID, your right to work, drive, bank, etc. etc. etc. whatever else it includes; ability to log into the internet, your email, use your phone etc. etc. etc. etc.

it puts it all in the hands of a centrally controlled system that can be restricted or deactivated.

Trusting this government with it is one thing. Trusting all future governments is another. Trusting AI with it is another.

Technofuedalism or technocracy.

Inevitable really.

No, that’s beyond me. And I can’t be the only one.

It is not an ID card, it is Digital ID.

It is planned to be used with private companies so that banks, websites and social media can verify against your digital ID, and they will store details of your linked digital ID.

Tony Blair demanded the use of Covid passports and copy the French model that was banning people from restaurants etc on the basic of vaccine status.

They are a mandated barcode which will link every aspect of your life and provide the Government with complete oversight.

A single file will contain your financial information, health records, tax records. The Government will keep a record of every job you apply for, not just the job you are currently doing, but every application you have ever made. It will be worse than any dystopian movie ever made. 1984 will just be the starting point.

Imagine a world where every interaction is tracked and logged by the state. It can't stop illegal immigration or tackle illegal working, that was never it's purpose. Which is why no Labour politician will answer questions about it.

Other countries have National I.d cards, but Digital ones can be abused, this is an important distinction. A physical card is used as I.D, a digital one is just a barcode to collect your data. For example, currently you might have to show your I.D to buy alcohol, this isn't logged anywhere. But once introduced, Digital I.D will be used instead, so now the Government knows when and where you tried to buy alcohol. They will make it mandatory that when booking flights, alongside your passport number, you must put your I.D number. Now they have a means of cross checking when you fly. It will be the same with train tickets, EV charging, you name it, you'll have to scan your I.D to access it.

That's the problem. The mission creep that will occur. Your I.D will be used to control and monitor you, a digital leash. When "the computer says no" you will not be allowed to travel, apply for jobs, use your bank account, even driving will be monitored as all EVs will require you to scan your I.D before the car will let you drive.

Ultimate state control over your entire life.

The ways in which a digital I.D can be used to control you are limitless. If you have to scan your I.D, you can be controlled at the literal press of a button.

They must be resisted and stopped.