Another example of why Reform are doing so well

[Touchtheskies]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15142311/amp/Taliban-commanders-nephew-asylum-SEVEN-family-members.html

I'm no expert, so will be grateful if someone more knowledgeable (perhaps that's you @yonem, perhaps not) can fill in the gaps here as I'm puzzled by the net contributor, net recipient set up.

If you just take the tax and NI people pay, yes, I can see there might be a negative.

Does this 'net recipient' title take into account the fruits of the labour a person has put in over time. E.g. I worked 40 years before retiring. During those 40 years I created profit/value for my employer every hour I worked (I must have done otherwise they'd have made me redundant). My employers product/service generated tax, NI, VAT, employment for other people etc etc.

How about caring or childcare? People caring for loved ones, Grandparents caring for children - all frees up other people (who might not be able to work otherwise) to be in the labour market and pay tax etc.

Is that 'fruits of labour' element considered?

How do you know they won't be upstanding members of society with professional jobs paying plenty of tax?

Oh yeah, you don't. You just assume all brown people are a burden on society.

When Nigel Farage was an MEP his attendance was so poor that he rated 748th out of 751 MEPs in terms of attendence.

He didn't attend to vote for 80% of the votes that happened when he was an MEP.

Fishing is something you'd believe was dear to his hear given his 'British fishing only in British waters' stance and so you won't be surprised to know that as an MEP he was part on the EU fisheries committee.

During his time on the committee it met 42 times. Farage attended just one meeting.

Whilst he was MEP he had 10 different side jobs.

What on earth is wrong with you

How is Nige doing as MP?
In the last year -
He has spoken fewer times in parliament than any other leader of a British political party with a seat in Westminster.
Farage 45 times. * *
Kemi Badenoch 226
Ed Davey 97 * *
Carla Denyer 152
Adrian Ramsay 86

He's voted fewer times than the others
Farage 91 times. * *
Kemi Badenoch 92
Ed Davey 111 * *
Carla Denyer 205
Adrian Ramsay 178

In May 2025 Farage went on on holiday while parliament was sitting, meaning he didn’t turn up to a debate on the government’s post-Brexit EU negotiations.

Since 4 July 2024 Farage has made almost £970,000 from numerous second jobs,

Isn't that interesting re turkey
I thought turkey was supposed to be enlightened ? How come they don't sympathise with afgahinis?

I will soon be the average pensioner after having worked and paid tax for 42 years and not claimed any benefits apart from CB for one child.

I don't think that is the average pensioner, actually.
I reckon (this is not scientific) the "average" pensioner is a female born in about 1948, now age 77. SHE worked the equivalent of about 15 yrs FT but spread out in stints of mostly PT work over about 40 yrs of 'working age' ness. SHE stopped all paid work by age 60 "on average" (in 2008). SHE definitely had more than 1 child's worth of CB and SHE probably had some other benefits at times. SHE has definitely claimed several pensioner benefits for about 15 yrs now. SHE probably made it possible for a partner to work FT and HE paid in pension contributions for both of them arguably, but he is deceased or soon will be.

I also feel it's terrible to pit different needy people against each other as "more" or less deserving of government services. I just can't see anything good out of seeing the different groups as competitors.

Have the Daily Fail reported on Reform’s former Wales leader pleading guilty to Russia linked bribery charges yet? It’s baffling how little coverage that story has had in the UK press tbh. Richard Tice claims he’s never met him despite there being photographs of the pair of them together.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo

I agree with the posters on here who believe that Reform and Nigel Farage would be an absolute disaster and that’s why I am begging Labour to get a grip of immigration and crime now. Change laws if needed. Do things you find uncomfortable because if you don’t, Reform will do a damn sight worse.

@SeaAndStars I am an economist but labour isn’t my specialism. If I were going to build a model for this I would start with the assumption that the labour market is efficient enough that your salary should be commensurate with the value you generate. So your tax should be a sufficient reflection without needing to factor in the business tax etc. The model starts to get very complicated very fast when you add in second order effects - you’d have to consider things like infrastructure, police, the cost to others of pollution you’ve caused, etc too. Research that the change to the pension age was based on focused primarily on NICs.

Unpaid care is not usually counted within economic statistics - people providing it and not in/looking for employment are classified as economically inactive. This is one of the reasons I wanted to make clear that I personally see a lot of value in that type of contribution to society, and it’s also a reason that basing things like asylum policy purely on things that statistics measure would be very flawed.

This. ^ I get so sick of the pensioner bashing. So cruel and nasty to attack them in this manner. And I am not one. So have no skin in the game. Some have so much anger towards this demographic, as you say, as well as people with disabilities... We haven't had a good social housing tenant bashing thread for a wee while. Shall I start one? #joking!

Nowt wrong with people being in social housing, and that includes people who are earning/working/are in a better financial position than they were when they got the social housing.

Yep, I despise fucking shithouse Labour and that wanker Starmer, but the thought of REFORM being in power brings me out in hives! 😲😱💀

Paying taxes and NI does not give any entitlement to anything. They are not linked in a meaningful way. Taxes and NI are paid and spent in the moment. There’s no savings scheme with a pot of gold at the end of it! The amount DH paid, we’d be expecting a lot for our money! Taxes pay for everything that’s spent today. There’s no goodwill payments for paying in more or working longer! Unfortunately.

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We have. The thread is titled Housing stigma.

Those are the words of the judge who ruled on the case.

Yes we’re all very, very worried about all the consultant surgeons, airline pilots and litigators throwing themselves on the mercy of the public purse because somehow when life went south they couldn’t just quietly emigrate with their massive salaries and in-demand skills and qualifications. 😂

So sick of people weaving tall tales that asylum seekers are all doctors and lawyers desperate to work in our country (while simultaneously all being vulnerable women and children); the stats just don’t bear it out. If they were, they largely wouldn’t need to use that immigration route, they could use the skilled worker one.

Also a bit racist to claim all asylum seekers are ‘brown people’ don’t you think?

Genetic fallacy. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

Just because you would prefer to feel superior to the OP, this does not make the story untrue.

As it happens, the story is totally true, which makes you sound a bit thick, tbh.

The parents are diabetic, the sister has two kids and no dad for the kids, and the main asylum seeker has PTSD. They will need huge amounts of public funds.

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@yonem it's very interesting and factually incorrect that you seem to think pensioners no longer contribute. I'm a pensioner not yet claiming state pension for 3 more years but already paying higher income tax. Once I get state pension I'll pay even more income tax.

Why oh why do Labour always want to invite people like this to the UK to pay them handouts of tax payers money? RR should be telling them no and remind about her black hole she is digging ever deeper.

You've not included Plaid Cymru.

& they don't speak English so a) translators will be paid for too (why do we fund this, other countries don't?) and it lessens their employment prospects.
I do get the point that they are genuine asylum seekers and they do need help, they have fled a dangerous country. Just unsure why the UK, why not stay in Turkey?

Reform councillors keep getting suspended from their roles, so how are Reform going to find suitable MP candidates come the general election? They don't appear to be reliable or trustworthy people. Nigel Farage is a professional grifter and would fail completely as a prime minister. Starmer's bad enough. I think the UK is suffering greatly under his leadership.