No jobs for student nurses?

[EachandEveryone]

Have you experienced this? I can’t quote facts and figures I’m just hearing it from the horses mouth. I’m on the oncology ward being treated for the past two years. I am a nurse for twenty five years. I cannot believe the junior nurses or students qualifying that they can’t get the jobs they have trained for because the trusts have no vacancies as they’ve over employed from elsewhere spending millions. They got their numbers wrong, one fantastic student told me two thousand nurses qualify a year in London alone and there is nothing only bank. When I qualified we had the pick of jobs everyone wanted us. I feel so sad it’s such a waste.

like I said I know nothing outside of what I’m hearing on the wards I’m getting my excellent care from.

has anyone got any newly qualified nurses in their family? Is it better outside London?

That’s not true. My local hospital employed 30 AHP from abroad in April/May, knowing all the students would have their pins in August/sept but just wouldn’t wait a few months for them. Now the students don’t have jobs but the newly employed overseas staff can’t be counted in the numbers as their skills and knowledge isn’t up to scratch.

I’ve recently been in hospital a lot and every 3rd year nursing student was worried they wouldn’t get a job. Our local hospital has a complete recruitment freeze.
When I qualified many moons ago! most 3rd years had things lined up and had a few options.
Joining the bank isn’t really suitable when you’ve just qualified. You need a permanent supportive ward job to develop your skills and get your confidence. There’s still so much to learn when you qualify.

That’s rather an unfair view though. I’m a uk nurse and my partner is an overseas nurse from the phillipines. Yes uk nurses should be guaranteed jobs but it’s rather unfair to have international nurses then kick them out once uk nurses are trained. Many of them make great sacrifices leaving behind their families to plug our gap, meanwhile paying more taxes to this country than our own nurses, meanwhile being treated rather unfairly compared to us. Many have a vast range of experience and are more knowledgeable than many of us. Besides I can’t speak for all trusts, but my partner said there’s been a recruitment freeze on international nurses in n the phillipines for 2 years now. The only internationally recruited staff we’ve had in recent years has been for hca roles

But this entire thread is about UK trained nurses unable to find employment here so your reply doesn't explain my question.

I was being sarcastic

Sorry

Because we are always told the NHS would collapse if not for workers from abroad. Yet the courses for medical staff are always oversubscribed, newly qualified cannot find jobs, staff retention is through the floor, and basically it seems the NHS is very badly run by managers.

It was a question not a viewpoint. Leaving emotions out, surely overseas recruitment should be on a revolving temporary visa. i.e. to plug a short term gap, and that goes for any field of work not just medical. Now that more local nurses have been trained to fill roles then visas for overseas nurses should be withdrawn when they expire surely.There is no selfless sacrifice of overseas nurses coming here to plug gaps. They get invaluable experience and higher pay than in their home countries. They are not forced to come lol, it's their choice.

I do get your point but if that was the case, there’d be no incentive for other nurses to fill the gap, they’d just go elsewhere like Australia and America, putting the services in a worst position than now. There are already so many deaths occurring regularly now as a result of unsafe staffing and my anger really is towards the government for allowing this to happen. Indeed we were all led to believe there would always be jobs in nursing and those of us that have qualified in recent years don’t even want to be nurses anymore due to the pressures and dangerous conditions the government are leaving us in. It really is a mess

I don't understand your reply, The UK clearly provides favourable conditions for overseas nurses to come here. I don't know if its as easy for say a nurse from India to go to Australia as here but thats not whats being discussed. Overseas nurses made the decision to come to the UK and work in the NHS, its not for charitable reasons, its for money and experience. The programme should never be to the detriment of UK nurses. It probably wasn't in the past but appears to be now so needs to be reviewed.

I’ve just come from the community Rosie viability nurses. It a nice calm day hospital. They said there are too many band sevens all got there on who they knew. The management needs an overall.

they also confirmed that the walk in centre is on its knees as they are wanting the tvns and nurses from the day clinics to now go and cover because they can’t recruit or take on our newly qualified nurses.

its just a joke.

There are plenty of private companies hiring paramedics.

The foreign nurses come from countries where they have more extensive training and for a longer period of time so they are more experienced than our own newly qualified nurses, even when they are newly qualified themselves. They are much better than us.

One of mine qualified as a nurse ten years ago and had the same sort of worries. They all ended up with jobs within weeks of graduation. Same to one son's partners who is a midwife.

A friend's DD has just started work on a ward she trained on, hasn't even had her graduation ceremony yet

Hopefully it all works out..

I had a named nurse from the Philippines when I had an operation. The British nurses told me I was lucky as she was better trained than they were..

She was lovely but I felt sorry for the nurses saying that.

I agree that the nurses from abroad are massively qualified and are more experienced than our students. It doesn’t make it right though. There should be ring fenced vacancies for the newly qualified. With proper support on the wards.

If you want to hear the experience of a very likely jaded senior practitioner, we would have to go back to making nursing and midwifery accessible for ordinary people. There is a lot of time spent trying to convince the darlings that sign up these days that all of these tasks ARE our jobs and even when they maybe are not, patient care comes first. They are very able to advocate for themselves in terms of reaching out to whatever union, charity or lawyer(!) can get them out of nights or making tea and toast for new mums (yes, really!), but can be loathe to use that initiave and motivation elsewhere. Like actual nursing and midwifery practice.

Yes I know what you mean. Do they still have to empty sputum pots after they have been on the lash all night?😀 it happened as soon as it became so academic. How many have you had saying they can’t do days only nights because of their anxiety? Or weekends? So many of them have anxiety these days. We were made of sterner stuff. Having said that my niece has been qualified two years and works in itu and she’s a bag of nerves because she has never been supported properly on the ward. Our educator hasn’t got protected hours so is expected to have patients and look after the new starters. So much is so wrong with the whole thing.

I did an education role for a bit and was pulled to work clinically all the time because of staffing so actually achieved very little. It was very demoralising.

Are they though? Some of the foreign nurses we have had in our trust have a poor grasp of the English language.

Knowing English well is neither here nor there IME. I want someone who can recognise a deteriorating patient and act accordingly. Not someone who can write me a poem. And yes, they are much better skilled than our nurses here who learn very little clinical skills on their under grad courses.

My niece and her friend have just qualified as a midwife and a nurse. No job in a massive trust for either of them. One is Woking in Costa and the other still looking for a role anywhere.

The government are quite happy to attach student debt to these people though that will follow them through out their lives, and got hundreds of hours of free labour on their placements. It’s ridiculous.

When I had my op the British nurses said the nurses from the Philippines did things in their training that British nurses only did if they did post grad training. I have no idea if it is true but can't imagine why they would have decided to say it to a random patient if it wasn't what they believed.

When my son started his nursing degree he said by the end of the first placement lots had dropped out as they said they didn't think it would be like that. Not sure what it was that put them off but lots of wasted places.

Yes, they absolutely do. And they pay a lot more than ours do to train. They are very hard workers and I’ve never met one Philipeano who’s not fluent in speaking English!!

What nonsense, of course having a good grasp of English is essential. Without it, they can’t communicate properly with patients to find out how they are feeling. And if the staff don’t speak English properly, how can they ‘act accordingly’ ie communicate effectively with other staff, to pass on any concerns or key information ?

They can act accordingly by using 2 words ro describe the fact that someone is about to collapse. The difference is that they also have the clinical skills to be able to do something about it. Nobody in the NHS has no English skills unless they are from the EU in which case they didn't have to sit language exams on entry like people from the rest of the world.

The HCPs with the worst skills in English IME have been Spanish but they learn quickly.