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Right wing cancel culture at it again.

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 18/09/2025 04:46

This really is a scary time for free speech.

Another example right wing hypocrisy when it comes to free speech:

Jimmy Kimmel Live! suspended indefinitely after host’s Charlie Kirk comments https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/sep/18/jimmy-kimmel-live-suspended-indefinitely-after-hosts-charlie-kirk-comments?CMP=share_btn_url

Jimmy Kimmel Live! suspended indefinitely after host’s Charlie Kirk comments

ABC says late-night show will not air for foreseeable future after Kimmel accused Republicans of ‘doing everything they can to score political points’ from Kirk’s killing

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/sep/18/jimmy-kimmel-live-suspended-indefinitely-after-hosts-charlie-kirk-comments?CMP=share_btn_url

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Howseitgoin · 18/09/2025 12:47

FOJN · 18/09/2025 12:40

I can't link the Miller Vs the College of Policing from my tablet because it comes up as a pdf but you should Google it.

Do you think it's reasonable that the police should be able to keep a record of a claim made against you without offering the right to defend yourself? You could argue that it's useful data if identifying information is removed but that's not what happens and it has real world consequences for people when applying for jobs which require DBS checks.

Where I'm from employers only have access to convictions which is fair. But whether Police should be able to keep stuff that wasn't depends I suppose.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:50

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:45

The scary thing is I don't think this will end after Trump's presidency ends in 2 years.

There will be a Charlie Kirk 2.0 waiting to step into his shoes.

Better not to have another TR

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:51

EmpressoftheMundane · 18/09/2025 12:45

I don’t think the Trump folks need to try hard to distance the shooter from MAGA.

Why would a right winger want to shoot Charlie Kirk? Shooter was in a romantic relationship with his transgender roommate. Sounds pretty liberal to me. The engravings on the bullets were online culture war stuff. Can’t see why a shooter motivated by the culture wars were shoot someone on his own side.

The shooter was clearly animated by the hard left. So now we have the left resorting to violence and the right stopping different opinions being shared. They’ve switched sides.

Perhaps we could roll some of this back? Tolerate different opinions. Recognise rights should be universal, reciprocal snd absolute. No more appeals to context, identity, or just being special because this opens the foor to special pleading and sophistry.

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I think this is some wishful thinking. Not sure why you think trans or trans people's partners = liberal.

Here is an article about a transwoman who was a member of a neo-Nazi group called Blood and Honour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo

Marla-Svenja Liebich wears a blue hat and dark glasses - with a tattoo on her neck

German controversy surrounds jail term for transgender far-right extremist

Marla-Svenja Liebich was sentenced two years ago to a total of one year and six months in prison without parole.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:52

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FOJN · 18/09/2025 12:52

Howseitgoin · 18/09/2025 12:47

Where I'm from employers only have access to convictions which is fair. But whether Police should be able to keep stuff that wasn't depends I suppose.

Different jobs require different levels of DBS checks. Those professions exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (the list is quite long) are generally required to request advanced disclosure which lists everything, including spent convictions, a NCHI would show up.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:53

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:51

I think this is some wishful thinking. Not sure why you think trans or trans people's partners = liberal.

Here is an article about a transwoman who was a member of a neo-Nazi group called Blood and Honour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo

Your link is more wishful thinking tbf

Underthinker · 18/09/2025 12:53

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:45

The scary thing is I don't think this will end after Trump's presidency ends in 2 years.

There will be a Charlie Kirk 2.0 waiting to step into his shoes.

The scary thing is not the murder or the murderer, but the idea that someone similar to the victim might come along?

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:54

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:53

Your link is more wishful thinking tbf

What's wishful thinking about transgender far-right extremist sentenced by the German court to prison without parole for extreme right incitement to hatred, defamation, and insult?

Howseitgoin · 18/09/2025 12:55

Namitynamename · 18/09/2025 12:46

I think once something comes to court then you can also ask for a Jury. Who are generally quite against imprisoning people for their speech. Or a Judge might throw the case out. So the likelihood of being found guilty is very low.
The problem is, the process of getting to that point is wearing in itself. You can be arrested, charged, have to explain to people whats going on, engage a lawyer. It's a hugely draining experience for most ordinary people, whereas people who enjoy conflict will have a fine old time. It has affected "Gender Critical".people. But if you had a mind you could apply the law to anyone criticising Israel. Or anyone criticising Gaza/Palestine. And we don't know who will be in power on the next 5/10/20 years or what the police will be like. As you may have noticed on this thread there are at least some people who would be positively gleeful to see such laws turned against their "enemies". Which is apparently anyone vaguely left wing. And there are people on the left with the same glee for punishing. It's a human thing.

Look, I''m not a fan of offence laws unless you can prove harassment/harm.

But as far as specious allegations go, the same applies to sexual assault. People getting unnecessarily dragged is a worthwhile price to pay for prevention & justice.

Not sure but there maybe laws to prevent deliberate nuisance claims.

Barbadossunset · 18/09/2025 12:56

Laughing.
''Hope it hurt.''
''His kids will be better off without him.''
''FAFO.''

Blimey did people really post that on mumsnet? I wonder how they would’ve reacted if people posted similar about Jo Cox.

BackToLurk · 18/09/2025 12:56

Howseitgoin · 18/09/2025 12:15

That's more law about causing 'offence' than hate speech.

Hate crimes, including hate speech, in the U.K. are not standalone offences. Did you read the link you posted? ‘Hate speech’ may include a section 127 offence with an aggravating ‘hate crime’ element.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 18/09/2025 12:57

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:45

The scary thing is I don't think this will end after Trump's presidency ends in 2 years.

There will be a Charlie Kirk 2.0 waiting to step into his shoes.

There's already a crowd of right-wing influencers making a lot of money from it so it's a grift that will inevitably continue.

A fair chunk of that money comes direct from Russia along with the pro-Russian talking points. I don't think Kirk himself was ever implicated in that directly, just some of the people he associated with.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:57

Underthinker · 18/09/2025 12:53

The scary thing is not the murder or the murderer, but the idea that someone similar to the victim might come along?

It’s quite telling that people don’t mention the actual killer in that post

nomas · 18/09/2025 12:58

Underthinker · 18/09/2025 12:53

The scary thing is not the murder or the murderer, but the idea that someone similar to the victim might come along?

That's not what I said. The murder was indeed scary and it has emboldened the right wingers even further and I think the republicans will put forward a Charlie Kirk 2.0 for the next election. Better that Charlie lived and his racist and violent views were debated to show he wasn't really that smart.

nomas · 18/09/2025 13:00

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:57

It’s quite telling that people don’t mention the actual killer in that post

What does the killer have to do with Trump's presidency and his successor?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:02

People are aware that Trump has had nothing to do with Kimmel?

It appears to be a financial decision.

EmpressoftheMundane · 18/09/2025 13:03

In the USA conservatives, the right, MAGA do not believe trans women are women. They see them as males with mental health issues or a sexual fetishes. They don’t see them as prospective romantic partners. It’s liberals in the USA arguing to normalise males being treated as females upon their request.

Finding a quirky example out of billions of people in a foreign country proves nothing. Persuades nothing.

It’s audacious gaslighting to insist the shooter was MAGA.

Ilfurfante · 18/09/2025 13:04

Underthinker · 18/09/2025 12:35

By all accounts he was from a MAGA family

Never in decades of following the news have I seen the motives of a murderer so widely attributed to his parents' perfectly ordinary voting patterns.

I think its safe to assume anyone who commits politically motivated murder, has been radicalised to the point where growing up in a left/right leaning household has little bearing.

Actually, I think that what precedes any event is relevant to that event. For instance, he grew up in a household where the ownership and use of guns was actively promoted. His marksmanship and access to weapons facilitated the shooting. His apparent life choices are not acceptable to many on the right, particularly in mormon communities. Do you think that this is irrelevant to him seeking out a community which might accept him?

Likewise, I am sure that there are elements of Luigi Mangione's life which are relevant when looking at what he did.

FOJN · 18/09/2025 13:06

Barbadossunset · 18/09/2025 12:56

Laughing.
''Hope it hurt.''
''His kids will be better off without him.''
''FAFO.''

Blimey did people really post that on mumsnet? I wonder how they would’ve reacted if people posted similar about Jo Cox.

Welcome to the kind, tolerant, compassionate left in 2025. They really hate dehumanising speech don't you know.

Howseitgoin · 18/09/2025 13:06

I didn't link 127 the other person did.

And irrespective of why, its still an 'offence' law not a hate speech law.

nomas · 18/09/2025 13:07

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 18/09/2025 12:57

There's already a crowd of right-wing influencers making a lot of money from it so it's a grift that will inevitably continue.

A fair chunk of that money comes direct from Russia along with the pro-Russian talking points. I don't think Kirk himself was ever implicated in that directly, just some of the people he associated with.

Exactly, and I think it will get worse. Scary times ahead.

Did you see Nancy Mace's campaign against Ilhan Omar, one of the few Muslim members of the House of Representatives?

She claimed Omar's comments about CK's killing show 'Omar is not compatible with our American values'.

nomas · 18/09/2025 13:08

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:02

People are aware that Trump has had nothing to do with Kimmel?

It appears to be a financial decision.

Oh my sweet summer child.

Trump has sued ABC (owned by Disney) before and had to pay $12m. Disney are trying to avoid another lawsuit, even if it means sacrificing free speech.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:10

nomas · 18/09/2025 13:08

Oh my sweet summer child.

Trump has sued ABC (owned by Disney) before and had to pay $12m. Disney are trying to avoid another lawsuit, even if it means sacrificing free speech.

Jimmy has Free Speech.

The TV company are a private business and can do what they like.

nomas · 18/09/2025 13:11

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:10

Jimmy has Free Speech.

The TV company are a private business and can do what they like.

When you take someone off air for their (benign) views, you're telling them clearly that they do not have the right to free speech.