Charlie Kirk and guns

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A man has died and that's a terrible thing.

I'd never heard of him, but my sons, neither of whom take a lot of interest in politics generally, did know a lot about him. He was clearly a very skilled politician and debater, and some of the clips I've seen since show a man who could ask some very interesting questions calmly and make (imo) abhorrent positions seem reasonable.

One of the quotes I've seen is

"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

So, presumably he included his own life as one of those acceptable costs, or did he mostly mean poor black lives and other people's children?

He died through gun violence by an extremist who was brought up in a maga home,. He advocated for legal American citizens being ousted out of the usa because they didn't agree with him. He wanted an agreeable, unquestioning, child bearing woman who would effectively do as she was told by him and vote the way he wanted.

So it's a hard NO from me to watching any more of his mutterings. Any man who wants that kind of dominance over someone has issues.

From Patton's testimony:
https://www.left-horizons.com/2025/09/12/us-professor-speaks-out-on-charlie-kirk/
I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list.

His so-called “Professor Watchlist,” run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.

For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: “bitch,” “cnt,” “n*r.” They threatened all manner of violence.

They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired. The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.

And I am not unique.

Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse.

Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!
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I don't agree with much (hardly anything) of what he says

I do agree with him when he says that when talking stops the extremists get in (paraphrased).

We are seeing so many extremists in the UK because people have stopped talking to each other.

Racists, transphobes, misogynists, gammons.
Cancel culture, people losing jobs, friends and families
#No debate.

The extreme left or right they are all cut form the same cloth.

And I stand by going and finding out what he actually said, instead of soundbites and "quotes" from AI and people that don't like him. At least then its your own mind that you are owning and not some pawn in someone else's

By the way, this is Kirk's vision for women.

As above, you can listen to him in his own full words where there's a little more material than in the text summary given. (Spoiler: the extra material doesn't make him look better.)

I'm sure he was sincere when he told us that he wanted women to behave this way or that.

Another man telling women what to do, what values we're allowed to hold, how we should to think.

How original and fresh.

Hard pass from this woman, thanks all the same.

https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-tells-taylor-swift-submit-your-husband-and-have-ton-children

And I stand by going and finding out what he actually said, instead of soundbites and "quotes" from AI and people that don't like him. At least then its your own mind that you are owning and not some pawn in someone else's

I agree.

I think that a certain type of arrogant man in society believe they are impermeable to things happening to them. The first thing I said was how openly he was sat - he was pretty much a sitting duck. When Trump got shot at, he was stood up and moving so would have been a more difficult target. Apparently he had been warned that it was a security issue but I guess he died doing what he loved.

Back to my point though, I think people with money and power, especially power, think that it will be a get out clause and they aren't vulnerable hence being happy for all the plebs to risk being sacrificed. We are literally like chess pawns.

When he said if his daughter fell pregnant through rape, he would encourage her to keep the child, again I think in his head that wouldn't happen to somebody like them therefore, he'd never really have to face such a dilemma.
Whereas when I go out I'm always a little aware that something bad could happen. I worry my daughter will be abused in one way or another. I worry my sons will get killed from a one punch killer when older. I haven't had the privilege of living a life without worrying.

Don't know where you've got the idea that I hadn't already been aware of him or his viewpoints. I decided long ago that I didn't want to hear any more from him. Little of what he said aligned with anything I thought or felt, that hasn't changed. I'm sorry he has been murdered, gruesome, this rarely leads to anything good. What I find most abhorrent is that trump is using his death to camouflage his epstein history and drum up civil unrest. That is utterly despicable, but we shouldn't be shocked at this point by the depths to which trump will sink. A truly disgusting individual.

What makes you think that all of that was aimed entirely at you?

Maybe cos you quoted me. 🫠

Cars are not "weapons of death", neither are knives. They both serve ordinary, non-violent purposes. There is no use of a gun that is non-violent, that is that it does not destroy, injure or kill the target.

He absolutely would have included himself in this. Having watched a few of his debates, I imagine the scenario of someone putting to him whether he (Charlie Kirk) getting shot would be “acceptable” collateral damage in order for people to maintain the 2nd amendment. I absolutely believe that his answer would have been a resounding YES.

Oh the entitlement. lol

There are many knives that are designed to kill. Most are banned in the UK.