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I’ve been accused of harassment following a miscarriage

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Slaygria · 10/09/2025 16:18

This is probably outing but I need advice and both ACAS and pregnant and screwed are closed today. Five weeks ago, I had a miscarriage at 8 weeks (no fetal pole). I didn’t tell anyone but close family and I was told to wait to see if I bled naturally or if not they’d arrange a D and C. Days later, I bled lightly and two weeks later I had 24 hours of awful heavy bleeding, so heavy an ambulance was called. I was soaking both towels and pads and needed a transfusion. This happened over a weekend. I went to hospital and they confirmed miscarriage was complete but also found an ovarian cyst on my left ovary.

I work in a high paced sales environment where targets and league tables are everything. Annual leave is looked down on as a hindrance and those on sick leave are talked about behind their back. A man recently lost his mum and is taking time and everyone is complaining about covering for him for example and mocking his numbers are low.

So with this in mind, despite needing time I had one day off sick on the Monday. I needed more really but didn’t take it out of risk of the above. It felt worse to be off than it did to go in. I did however want it marked as pregnancy related leave because it was due to miscarriage. One day off. Well, the past 48 hours returning have been hell. My manager insisted I send through future appointments plus documentation if I had it confirming miscarriage.

I only had my 111 report and go NHS log. So sent this over even though it felt personal and I didn’t want to. My manager also said it was confusing as I also had an ovarian cyst on my log and was it even a miscarriage, how could I be sure.

He then refused to accept my 111 log and gp log as “prognosis” so asked if I had anything else. I then sent a very firm reply saying enough is enough, I had one day off and it’s intimate and private and I don’t feel comfortable sharing anything else. My 111 reports already said about heavy vaginal bleeding and pregnancy loss and it’s embarrassing. He then said fair enough if that’s all you’ve got and I’m only doing it to give you support (didn’t feel like that). He said I don’t need proof just a prognosis?!

Later that evening, I also sent one email outlining the reasons why I felt I needed to come back early (pressure in the team, comments made about others on sick), it was professional and polite and I even got DP (Police Officer) to read and he said it was fine! I also mentioned I’d felt being asked for so much information had taken a toll on my mental health the past day when I should be focused on returning to work. Manager never replied and has now reported me to HR/Safeguarding for “harassment”. I’ve been asked to go to a meeting on Friday and told I can bring representation.

I just feel broken on this. He’s also messaging me 4 times on teams today about work and I’ve replied as normal and polite. I can’t see where I’ve harassed but I also feel exhausted and like I shouldn’t even be replying now. Also if he feels so harassed why is he still engaging with me?

I don’t know where to begin. I’m feeling sad about my miscarriage, I returned on the basis that I thought I could manage and would be less stressed than having time off.

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Endlesswandering · 10/09/2025 17:44

That sounds horrendous. I’d be going off sick and finding a new job ASAP. Nothing is worth that level of horribleness

Mulledjuice · 10/09/2025 17:51

Wow. I'm so sorry you have been going through this. You have grounds for a grievance against them!

Definitely call in sick.

Kreepture · 10/09/2025 17:51

Friendlygingercat · 10/09/2025 17:31

Legally harassment is unwanted conduct that has the purpose or effect of violating a person's dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment. Your boss harassed you by forcing you to reveal intimate personal medical details at a time when you were vulnerable after your miscarriage. Under the Equality Act 2010. This behavior was unlawful because it was related to a protected characteristic (pregnancy). I would raise a grievance against your boss and make a counter claim of harassment for breach of the Act. The entire atmosphere in your place of work sounds toxic with its attituide towards sickness and disability. Take legal advice from ACAS but if you play your cards right you may be able to resign with a settlement by threatening to take them to a tribunal.

Edited

Thirding this.

The way he behaved i'd be forwarding the messages to HR and making a counter-claim for harassment myself.

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Nanny0gg · 10/09/2025 18:05

Slaygria · 10/09/2025 17:34

He came back and said he wasn’t asking for proof but prognosis! But wouldn’t accept my proof as prognosis

I'm so sorry

And he was the one doing the harassing!

Can you find another job? That place is toxic

Anyahyacinth · 10/09/2025 18:09

Are you sure they aren't interpreting what you've been through as harassment? It doesn't make sense otherwise. A union rep would be useful. Go and listen without saying too much...then think carefully about next steps. Sorry this has happened 🌿

Clarinetiu · 10/09/2025 18:12

If it is a real high pressure sales environment with contract and t and c to match they will boot you for target related issues.

The well meaning advice and sick, bullying etc really don’t take account of how these environments are set up.

Emilygilmoreshandbag · 10/09/2025 18:18

He sounds appalling. Of course you have not harassed him. Take someone you trust to the meeting with you to take notes and to intervene if they think you need a break. Make very clear that if anyone was harassed it is you.

Presumably if anyone else takes one solitary day of sick leave then they do not have to disclose heaps of personal information, and can instead just self-certify that they are unwell.

That he is asking you to jump through hoops to demonstrate to his satisfaction that you were pregnant in order to have this recorded on your leave record strikes me as unlawful discrimination and I think I’d lob in a grievance of my own.

Also, he doesn’t understand the word “prognosis”, the toxic little shit.

lanadelgrey · 10/09/2025 18:22

Do you think your boss understands the meaning of prognosis? He seems to be seeing pregnancy or miscarriage as something akin to a heart attack or cancer ie what is the prognosis of a medical condition. But even in those situations a doctor wouldn’t say anything for certain ie you will be fit for work in x days. They can say you will be off work for x days and must rest after surgery or whatever. Hopefully HR will be along to take this out of his hands.
Have you worked there for two-plus years? Gives you added protection. Also find their pregnancy policy so that you know ahead of the meeting.
So sorry for your loss 💐

Pastaandoranges · 10/09/2025 18:38

Go armed. Speak to acas. I am pretty sure he has been harrassing you actually. Speak to ELTAL Log a grievance. What an absolute cunt of a manager.

TiredOctopus · 10/09/2025 18:51

Friendlygingercat · 10/09/2025 17:31

Legally harassment is unwanted conduct that has the purpose or effect of violating a person's dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment. Your boss harassed you by forcing you to reveal intimate personal medical details at a time when you were vulnerable after your miscarriage. Under the Equality Act 2010. This behavior was unlawful because it was related to a protected characteristic (pregnancy). I would raise a grievance against your boss and make a counter claim of harassment for breach of the Act. The entire atmosphere in your place of work sounds toxic with its attituide towards sickness and disability. Take legal advice from ACAS but if you play your cards right you may be able to resign with a settlement by threatening to take them to a tribunal.

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100% agree with this. So sorry for your loss.

Lavender14 · 10/09/2025 18:58

CoffeeFluff · 10/09/2025 17:10

HR Director here. I would go off on stress leave and make a case for discrimination/bullying on the basis of what’s happened. Your case is that you were actually the one being harassed, and the fact disciplinary action is being upheld against you whilst you are dealing with trauma is unbelievable. Please sit it out and wait for a Settlement Agreement so that you leave with some money. They’re looking at a LOT in tribunal costs otherwise

Completely agree. It would be worth seeking support from a union if you aren't already in one.

Saz12 · 10/09/2025 19:49

I assumed "prognosis" was a typo for "diagnosis". Otherwise what's he on about???

I'm so sorry this arsehole is making a horrible experience even worse.

Discobooloo · 10/09/2025 22:06

Submit a counter accusation of harassment

Beaniebobbins · 10/09/2025 22:20

Speak to Acas before you communicate with anyone at work again. Anything to do with pregnancy is a protected characteristic so I think there is clear discrimination going on here and he also shouldn’t be making you divulge personal information. Reading between the lines with my world weary eyes I also think he’s pissed off that you’re getting pregnant because at some point you might be on maternity leave and he’s coming across as the sort of person who views that as an indulgence.

but anyway 1) look after yourself, take all the rest and recovery time you need, you have been through something very physically and emotionally draining,
2) call acas tomorrow and arm yourself with knowledge before you speak to your own hr
3) look for a new job, even without the crap manager you have a high pressure and stressful environment, horrible bullying, bare minimum of sick pay - there are better things out there for you!

Elphamouche · 10/09/2025 22:42

Get yourself a union or solicitor and tell him to go fuck himself.

I had a missed miscarriage in 2023, I ended up needing a D and C and having 2 weeks off. I was offered longer. Your boss is a cunt and your work place is horrific. For what it’s worth, I’m also in targeted sales and one of the top. It didn’t matter for a second.

pinkdelight · 11/09/2025 08:21

He's being weird going on about prognosis, that's got nothing to with him and he needs to back off. Please take someone from your union (join one if not in one) or someone with chops to this meeting and don't take any shit, he's clearly the one being harassing and unreasonable and you've got all the protections.

DrBlackbird · 15/09/2025 07:58

Slaygria · 10/09/2025 17:34

He came back and said he wasn’t asking for proof but prognosis! But wouldn’t accept my proof as prognosis

I’m sure he’s getting it wrong when he says prognosis (you wouldn’t have a ‘prognosis’ for a miscarriage) what he means is diagnosis surely. As in, what is the final ‘label’ to record as the reason for being off work i.e. what was medically wrong. Not what is the likely course of your medical issues is going forward. Either way, I agree he’s covering his own harassment and going on the offence.

whatisheupto · 15/09/2025 08:43

He is obviously a narcissistic twat who enjoys being a bully. Please don't imagine he's a normal manager with reasonable demands.
Don't quit... protect yourself and your income and your potential payout/ sick leave etc.
Just try very hard to detach. Know that he is a fucker who will play awful games. But let him. You detach. The law is the law and it will likely work in you favour if you just go through the motions. You've done nothing wrong. Listen to the advice of the HR Director above.
He has accused you of harassment because he knows full well he was harassing you, so he had to get in there first. A classic narcissistic tactic.
Lean on HR and make it easy for them to help you. Keep them updated and don't suffer alone.
I'm so sorry for what you went through. It's awful and you need more time off to recover, physically and emotionally. To be harassed on top of that is unimaginable.

whatisheupto · 15/09/2025 08:47

CoffeeFluff · 10/09/2025 17:10

HR Director here. I would go off on stress leave and make a case for discrimination/bullying on the basis of what’s happened. Your case is that you were actually the one being harassed, and the fact disciplinary action is being upheld against you whilst you are dealing with trauma is unbelievable. Please sit it out and wait for a Settlement Agreement so that you leave with some money. They’re looking at a LOT in tribunal costs otherwise

@CoffeeFluffand @Friendlygingercathave both given excellent advice

Slaygria · 15/10/2025 14:59

Hi everyone, I wanted to update and let you all know I resigned and have submitted a case for harassment and discrimination. The harassment case my manager had against me was not upheld. They found no harassment my side.

my key focus points are

  1. i was repeatedly asked for “prognosis” even though I didn’t feel comfortable and was within the 7 day certification at the time
  2. i I was asked and questioned if miscarriage had even happened
  3. i I wasn’t told about the policies related to miscarriage and had to fight for it to be put as pregnancy related leave.
  4. I felt and have texts where I’ve messaged my partner saying I felt humiliated and degraded and devastated. I even mention feeling suicidal
  5. I told the higher up manager that my manager was asking for too much proof and he said he’d follow up with me but never did.
  6. i ended up in hospital with sepsis and a womb infection following this as I didn’t have the time off to recover as the culture and my manager made me feel like I couldn’t.

if there’s anyone lovely from HR who could take a look at my timeline of events privately in DM, I’d really appreciate that. I feel broken, and lost. But I’m willing to fight this all the way to Tribunal.

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123togo · 15/10/2025 15:03

What does your manager mean by ‘prognosis?’ I truly don’t think the word means what he thinks it means. 💐

Slaygria · 15/10/2025 15:07

123togo · 15/10/2025 15:03

What does your manager mean by ‘prognosis?’ I truly don’t think the word means what he thinks it means. 💐

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He ultimately argued he was asking for prognosis in terms of risk assessment. Whether I was fit enough to do my job, but legally he isn’t allowed to ask about a prognosis at all, it was within 7 days of self certification and he had already forwarded me for a risk assessment with HR and he was primarily asking why I was off repeatedly and wouldn’t accept my spoken word of miscarriage as the truth.

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egganbacon · 15/10/2025 15:09

OP what truly shocking treatment you have received. I hope you are now feeling much better physically and good for for taking the arsehole to task ,hope you succeed.X

Newbutoldfather · 15/10/2025 15:15

I am not a lawyer but have worked in reasonably senior positions in two very different sectors.

It does sound like you have a fair case for constructive dismissal based on bullying/harassment and sexism. Obviously sex is a protected characteristic so, if proven, would give you a substantially higher payout.

But you really do need to bite the bullet and employ an employment lawyer (good ones are expensive). They will be able to advise you on your chances of success and potential payout.

You do need nerves of steel for this, however, especially if your employer is a big organisation. Normally they will contest it as long and expensively as they can, before caving with a settlement offer late in the day.

You have to decide whether you are up for the process.

GenerateNewUsername · 15/10/2025 15:37

I’ve just read the whole thing OP and I’m so so sorry. I’m not in HR but in a senior role and have been involved in grievances and discrimination cases and to me this absolutely sounds like you have a case here. I really hope things work out for you

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