Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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Nobody says you can’t tackle these crimes among all demographics of men. You absolutely should. But you are making the boulder you have to push uphill far heavier when you allow young men from misogynistic countries in …

Shroedinger’s convictions where simultaneously hundreds of men get away scot-free with sexually assaulting children for decades, because police were scared of seeming racist or complicit, and where minorities also get get treated more harshly by the justice system. If it’s both, I imagine the numbers even out.

I agree and so do the Sudanese family and the Iraqi family that live in the same block of council flats as me. They're not happy about hundreds of unchecked young men living in a nearby hotel. They, along with me, are also not convinced that a high proportion of those young men are fleeing life threatening persecution or that they have vulnerable wives back home.

Yes a young man may be sponsoring his family members later. That doesn’t preclude him being a sex offender. Plenty of rapists are so-called ‘family men’

I wonder what the VAWG statistics look like among Tommy-ten-names's ilk? Wasn't it 2 in 5 of the ones who were caught at the riots had DV convictions? I live in an area absolutely heaving with immigrants and asylum seekers. I'd much rather walk down my high street at night than in to a pub where they hang out.

Can you tell me which countries don't have misogynistic men? I'll start packing.

If you think all men are equally bad, I guess you won’t accept women from places like Afghanistan, will you?

Shroedinger’s convictions where simultaneously hundreds of men get away scot-free with sexually assaulting children for decades, because police were scared of seeming racist or complicit, and where minorities also get get treated more harshly by the justice system. If it’s both, I imagine the numbers even out.

70% are given refugee status and the majority come from countries with terrible human rights abuses.

Not making any sense. Suitcase is packed, where am I going?

That’s interesting. If anybody has valid qualitative information to go with the quantitative statistical evidence, it’s people like this.

You are absolutely right. It wasn't scores. It was HUNDREDS. Over 100 womens and girls organisations, including the most respected VAWG organisations, plus 98 supporting organisations. You see, that is actually a fact, and you can count them.

And even you aren't reading the thread because that link and the whole text has been posted multiple times, twice by me! If you were even vaguely interested in "debate" as opposed to racist disinformation, you would be reading the actual arguments being made.

I wouldn't bother. The OP is too absorbed in 'saving women and girls' to listen to the front line organisations.

Funny that "woke leftist" and other such personal attacks are apparently ok. It's only some personal attacks that appear to be unacceptable, and it's very disturbing what the difference is.

DV is endemic in this country across all races, classes and religions.

But DV is perpetrated by men we know, husbands, partners, Fathers, sons all men that we know. The assaults from migrants are more likely to be on women unknown to them.

It’s like comparing apples and pears I feel very sorry for any women who shares her home with a violent perpetrator. I don’t so I’m perfectly safe. That is the huge disconnect regarding assaults on women.

The refugee families that were in a hotel not too far from me were no bother at all. It was a good couple of years ago and the men had been working for the British military as interpreters and were at genuine risk. The authorities knew who they were plus women have a civilising influence on men. Those families must have been moved in to actual homes after a year. Now another hotel near me is full of single men and the difference is huge. The families caused zero issues, the men in that hotel. Well try living near one is what I say, it’s unpleasant. If that hotel was full of women of all the nationalities there I’m sure it would be perfectly fine. We have enough shit men of our own why add to it?

I live extremely close to one of the hotels that was on the news. I have to say I wasn't really aware of its existence before the protests. I had heard that some women had been sexually assaulted and had decided maybe not to visit the park on my own anymore.

Anyway since then I've noticed the men on the edges of the town center. Usually solo, you can tell because they don't speak English, they (for some reason) seem to wear black, very casual, cheap black clothes, they are quite short and quite skinny. They walk on the main road back and forth on their mobile constantly. Maybe scared to go into the town.

I just think that's no life at all. Maybe we should have a community centre, somewhere to go and learn some language skills.

I also saw one man in Waitrose, he was walking round with his basket looking at literally everything like it was his first time in a supermarket.
I just wondered what do these men think living in Britain is like? Do they know we all just find it really hard work? We are all just trying to get by and make ends meet. That women in the west already live with patriarchy and we don't want new forms of oppression.

When I drove to get petrol the road is covered, literally on every lamp post with union jack and white and red cross flags.

Doesn't mean they're all feeling persecution though does it. How is this actually measured or proved? I'd also say that a lot of the human rights abuses in their home countries are directed towards women.

I am a british born and bred female person of colour. We are a family educated here, working in the public sector.

I feel scared and sickened by all this.how will the 'ban the boat' people be able to distinguish me and my loved ones from asylum seekers? There is so much outrage as there should be about vawg. But its so bloody easy to pick on the non white men isnt it? Please dont forget that white men, British men of colour also harm women and girls. I should know, I work with the convicted perpetrators.

My point is that some countries are way worse than others. You are under no obligation to take people from such countries if it doesn’t suit you. Because why make a bad problem worse?

I’m not sure what your point is.

If people want an idea of what is going on in their area, go sit in your local courts, see on a day to day basis who is being dealt with. Join the police, join the prison and Probation Service, join dv services. Help communities this way

See, I don't really regard "woke leftist" or any of the other variations that I've seen on that theme to be personal insults either. But I absolutely agree that, if we're going to delete "racist" as if it is a term of abuse, then these other labels that people like to use should be treated similarly.

Personally, I would prefer that MNHQ focus on removing the racist disinformation that is actually harmful, rather than fannying around with deleting posts where people say that others are "woke" or "racist" or whatever. I saw one poster get deleted for calling someone else "bonkers" recently. Astonishing when you compare that to so much of the content that is left to stand.

We're not delicate snowflakes. I'm sure that those engaging in robust debate are resilient enough to deal with being called "woke" or "racist" or "radical left" or "far right" or whatever. I'm far more concerned about the insidious disinformation that is being spread with the deliberate intention of stirring up anti-migrant feeling.

No, as stated 70% are found to be eligible for refugee status. That means that 30% haven't. It's proven through the refugee process. It's not true at all that only women experience human rights abuses. For example, about 157,634 Syrians were arrested between March 2011 and August 2024 and around 10,221 were women.

@OrangeZebraStripes I just think that's no life at all. Maybe we should have a community centre, somewhere to go and learn some language skills.

I live in a semi-rural area comprising mostly villages clustered around a small city. We have a couple of hotels in the area, and every village has a few HMO's with asylum seekers. The city and every village have an asylum seeker support group that meets at least weekly, and signposts asylum seekers to social and educational activities appropriate to their needs. We also have buddy systems to help people "learn the ropes", plus they get food bank support. Over the last couple of years this has led to the majority of our food bank volunteers actually being asylum seekers or settled refugees. They also volunteer at the local church coffee morning, even though only about 25% of them are Christians. They do litter picks and tidy ups in public spaces and after community activities.

Do we have local racists? Yes we do. They are really good at sloping around hanging flags or making anonymous online posts. They do not, in any way at all, contribute to the local community. They also daren't touch the asylum seekers because the precarious tension is only held in place due to most people not standing up to them. But this is an old community. People have known others, for good or not, for many generations. And step that far out of line... attack someone because of their skin colour, nationality or asylum status - and the village will deal with its own.

I am white British born and worry about this a lot, particularly for my Pakistani neighbours as we live close to a town marred by the grooming gangs scandal. I hope everyone who can see what is happening will find the courage to speak up.

Family violence is a really difficult, sticky problem. Getting children out of a violent home, at what point do you do that? Trying to convince a woman to leave an abusive situation? Not as easy as it sounds.

Preventing rape and murder by someone who literally should never have been in your country?

Easiest fucking thing in the world.