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What does Katharine Birbalsingh do different?

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User2346 · 21/08/2025 20:14

I can’t say I like her but I am intrigued as to how she gets the results which are remarkable.

I know the model of zero tolerance etc but this is copied in a lot of academies without the resounding success.

Is there something different with the teaching methods? Is there an element of selection weeding out children with SEN and EHCP’s?

I would love the perspective of parents who have their DC at the school.

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beelegal · 22/08/2025 08:29

iseethembloom · 22/08/2025 04:36

Lots of first and second-generation immigrant families who, unlike the white-working class, are honoured and delighted to be getting an English education, who are aspirational and who want to do well.

Her school is full of kids who have a work ethic and strong discipline in the background (at home).

This, mainly. As others have said, the narrow curriculum also helps…. as does the very small size of the school (something like 700 on roll).

She’s a charlatan. If she tried the same methods in a big, white, coastal town, she’d get nowhere.

Not true. There are plenty of schools in London with a large migrant cohort and they are failing schools.

beelegal · 22/08/2025 08:31

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:14

And more to the point, what is wrong for ‘drilling’ for exams? Practice and Repetition is how you learn and commit information into memory.

Exactly.
My ds school does a lot of “group work” and he hates it. They chat about the latest tik tok video.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:34

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 00:56

so children all have to go to massive schools? What about those people who want their children to go to small schools? I had to pay private to send my child to school with a year group of 100. Why can’t you accept some parents have a preference for schools with a narrow curriculum that will get them high grades? Are you suggesting that all schools should be the same size and offer all GCSE subjects? There is no country in the western world that does something like that.

Yet private schools manage to offer a wider curriculum than Michaela. For instance, I went to a much smaller school that managed to offer a choice of three languages against Michaela's one.

Of course not all schools have to be the same size and offer the same subjects, and nowhere have I suggested that. The point is that, when considering the supposed success of Michaela, you have to take into account that it's much easier to achieve if you limit choices like that. Parents may think they like it, but think about how stifling and limiting that may be for their children.

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MrsEmmelineLucas · 22/08/2025 08:35

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:34

Yet private schools manage to offer a wider curriculum than Michaela. For instance, I went to a much smaller school that managed to offer a choice of three languages against Michaela's one.

Of course not all schools have to be the same size and offer the same subjects, and nowhere have I suggested that. The point is that, when considering the supposed success of Michaela, you have to take into account that it's much easier to achieve if you limit choices like that. Parents may think they like it, but think about how stifling and limiting that may be for their children.

Yes, of course the private school will have considerably larger funding.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:36

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 05:43

The same can be said for every school.

Manifestly not. There are plenty of mainstream schools that have a really good track record with children with SEN and don't feel the need to manage them out.

MrsEmmelineLucas · 22/08/2025 08:36

beelegal · 22/08/2025 08:31

Exactly.
My ds school does a lot of “group work” and he hates it. They chat about the latest tik tok video.

Too true. I've observed those kinds of lessons. One kid does the work, the others chat.

hangerup · 22/08/2025 08:37

Yet private schools manage to offer a wider curriculum than Michaela.

Some private schools do.

The point is that, when considering the supposed success of Michaela, you have to take into account that it's much easier to achieve if you limit choices like that.

Is the success supposed? Why are people so quick to take away what these dc have achieved & minimise it?

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:38

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 05:53

Yes they do - the LA is the admissions authority.

There is a difference between being the admission authority for a maintained school and for an independent academy. Ultimately if the academy doesn't like the way admissions are run it has control.

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/08/2025 08:38

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:34

Yet private schools manage to offer a wider curriculum than Michaela. For instance, I went to a much smaller school that managed to offer a choice of three languages against Michaela's one.

Of course not all schools have to be the same size and offer the same subjects, and nowhere have I suggested that. The point is that, when considering the supposed success of Michaela, you have to take into account that it's much easier to achieve if you limit choices like that. Parents may think they like it, but think about how stifling and limiting that may be for their children.

Ours had a very limited choice. Left for state Sixth form because it was so restricted.

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 08:39

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:34

Yet private schools manage to offer a wider curriculum than Michaela. For instance, I went to a much smaller school that managed to offer a choice of three languages against Michaela's one.

Of course not all schools have to be the same size and offer the same subjects, and nowhere have I suggested that. The point is that, when considering the supposed success of Michaela, you have to take into account that it's much easier to achieve if you limit choices like that. Parents may think they like it, but think about how stifling and limiting that may be for their children.

ok so? My child’s school doesn’t offer PE, food tech, dance or textiles for instance.

Motherofacertainage · 22/08/2025 08:39

I would say the biggest single factor is that the overwhelming majority of parents are totally on the schools side. I don’t think most people appreciate how much time it takes dealing with parents who challenge every decision and every attempt to tighten up school rules and behaviour policies. Because it was a new school all the parents signed up to the strict code of conduct and have enrolled their kids on that basis. Almost impossible to replicate in an existing school because you would have to fight some parents when implementing your behaviour policy.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:40

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 05:58

Anyone who thinks this doesn’t happen in schools is deluded! This site is full of posts by parents whose children have been assaulted, bullied, picked on and isolated by their peers on school. Children are taking weapons into school, teachers are firefighting constantly. The system whereby children have been given autonomy over their education is absolutely broken.

Parents who are perfectly happy with their children's educations don't tend to post about it. If you want to use this site as your evidence, you should have a look at all the parents of children in academies and maintained schools who are currently happy with their exam results.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 22/08/2025 08:52

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 05:58

Anyone who thinks this doesn’t happen in schools is deluded! This site is full of posts by parents whose children have been assaulted, bullied, picked on and isolated by their peers on school. Children are taking weapons into school, teachers are firefighting constantly. The system whereby children have been given autonomy over their education is absolutely broken.

Exactly, is bonkers to say 'this doesn't happen'!

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:54

MrsEmmelineLucas · 22/08/2025 06:26

It will be of use to you, because if you do GCSE History you will have to learn how to construct a balanced argument supported by evidence, and analyse source materials. Michaela cannot change the syllabus and just expect that information is regurgitatted. It has to be applied.

There are limited classes of questions that can be asked at GCSE level, and you can effectively teach the expected answers by rote. Rather more analysis is needed for A level, but even then because the syllabus is relatively limited quite a bit can be covered by rote learning - if all you care about is school results rather than actual teaching.

MrsEmmelineLucas · 22/08/2025 08:55

Motherofacertainage · 22/08/2025 08:39

I would say the biggest single factor is that the overwhelming majority of parents are totally on the schools side. I don’t think most people appreciate how much time it takes dealing with parents who challenge every decision and every attempt to tighten up school rules and behaviour policies. Because it was a new school all the parents signed up to the strict code of conduct and have enrolled their kids on that basis. Almost impossible to replicate in an existing school because you would have to fight some parents when implementing your behaviour policy.

I think that's the crux of it. Some parents will just fight the school's behaviour policy every step of the way, and defend and excuse their child's behaviour.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:57

Also, any complaints about any discipline were listened to, not changed (eg/ mobiles taken for a week) and the parents advised they could remove their child of course if they didn’t like it.

Which is illegal. If as a school you are trying to teach respect for rules and law, this is hardly setting a good example.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:59

ElinoristhenewEnid · 22/08/2025 08:19

Just looking at their stats on the gov.uk website

70.4% of pupils English is an additional language
31.9% of pupils have received fsm during past 6 years
10.1% of pupils on sen support
1.9% of pupils have ehcp

all of the above can be used to excuse poor performance although not necessarily valid so I believe the school results are incredible and admire her work.

That's interesting. The proportion of children in the general population with EHC plans is around 5%. If Michaela is only taking 1.9%, it tends to support the view that they manage out pupils with SEN.

LarryUnderwood · 22/08/2025 09:00

I have 2 sons with SEN and I think they would thrive at Michaela. Clear, fairly applied rules that everyone follows is a big win for a school. Does that mean it would suit every child? Obviously not - no school will. But I would wager that most children actually don't suit schools where there is frequent low level poor behaviour and disruption and these seem to be much more prevalent issues. I think one of the keys to Michaela's success is the approach is holistic. It's not just behaviour in class, it's lived and breathed throughout the school day and children are expected to engage with their education in a very mature way. I particularly like the approach to communal eating where they have conversation topics to discuss and debate while eating. And the teachers and visitors sit with the kids and have those conversations with them. It seems to me that a young person leaving Michaela with a fistful of good grades, an understanding of good manners and how to engage in conversation with people of all ages, alongside good work habits and no social media addiction, is supremely well set up for life beyond school. Yes it would be great if they also had a broader curriculum, but unfortunately no state schools can do it all.

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 09:13

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:36

Manifestly not. There are plenty of mainstream schools that have a really good track record with children with SEN and don't feel the need to manage them out.

Why do you think they are being ‘managed out’? What evidence is there of this happening?

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 09:15

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:40

Parents who are perfectly happy with their children's educations don't tend to post about it. If you want to use this site as your evidence, you should have a look at all the parents of children in academies and maintained schools who are currently happy with their exam results.

I notice there’s no one commenting on here whose children attend Michaela is there? Is that because they’re ’perfectly happy with their education’?
The only people who criticise this school are people who don’t seem to attend, have children who attend, or work there.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 09:16

MrsEmmelineLucas · 22/08/2025 08:35

Yes, of course the private school will have considerably larger funding.

Michaela could have had larger funding but they chose to limit their intake. That's a decision they're entitled to take, but they can't then use lack of funds as an excuse for their clear limitations.

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 09:17

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 08:57

Also, any complaints about any discipline were listened to, not changed (eg/ mobiles taken for a week) and the parents advised they could remove their child of course if they didn’t like it.

Which is illegal. If as a school you are trying to teach respect for rules and law, this is hardly setting a good example.

Don’t be daft - telling a parent they can remove their child if they don’t agree with the school rules is NOT illegal.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 09:17

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 08:39

ok so? My child’s school doesn’t offer PE, food tech, dance or textiles for instance.

Your child's school isn't taking public money as Michaela is.

Ratafia · 22/08/2025 09:17

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2025 09:17

Don’t be daft - telling a parent they can remove their child if they don’t agree with the school rules is NOT illegal.

It absolutely is.

Philandbill · 22/08/2025 09:19

The vast majority of parents have chosen the school so agree with the policies there. They will, in the main, have certain expectations of their children in terms of work and behaviour. If teens are seeing consistency between home and school for behavioural expectations then they are more likely to follow them, work hard and succeed.
Many schools do not have the luxury of the advantage that this gives pupils. Grammar schools do, and the majority of private schools I expect.