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What does Katharine Birbalsingh do different?

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User2346 · 21/08/2025 20:14

I can’t say I like her but I am intrigued as to how she gets the results which are remarkable.

I know the model of zero tolerance etc but this is copied in a lot of academies without the resounding success.

Is there something different with the teaching methods? Is there an element of selection weeding out children with SEN and EHCP’s?

I would love the perspective of parents who have their DC at the school.

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PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:07

missrabbit1990 · 21/08/2025 22:03

This is the school where she put underprivileged kids in lunch detention in a separate room because their parents hadn’t paid the bill. She cares about results above everything. She has no empathy and no care.

What have exam results got to do with parents not paying their bills for the food their children order?
Do you think some groups shouldn't have to pay for things they have?

Tutorpuzzle · 21/08/2025 22:08

When you say “drill for gcse’s” @missrabbit1990 , do you mean “teach”?

BCBird · 21/08/2025 22:09

The school I worked in had 4 problems; severedisruption from.a handful of troubled pupils, poor attitude to.learning from a significant majority of untroubled pupils, denial.of managers that there was an issue with behaviour and lack of parental involvement. If these issues had been resolved then pupils would have been.more successful and would have received more attention from the teachers. My guess is at her school these are not issues. Education is in crisis.

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PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:11

Tutorpuzzle · 21/08/2025 22:08

When you say “drill for gcse’s” @missrabbit1990 , do you mean “teach”?

Teach?! In a school?!!! Where's the trigger warning @Tutorpuzzle, you know that'll give the vapors to some!

hangerup · 21/08/2025 22:11

and they drill for the GCSE exams in every lesson from Year 7 onwards so the kids are well prepared for those exams. However, they lack breadth and how well prepared the kids are for life beyond school is another matter..

does not drilling for exams prepare you better for life beyond schools?

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:14

hangerup · 21/08/2025 22:11

and they drill for the GCSE exams in every lesson from Year 7 onwards so the kids are well prepared for those exams. However, they lack breadth and how well prepared the kids are for life beyond school is another matter..

does not drilling for exams prepare you better for life beyond schools?

And more to the point, what is wrong for ‘drilling’ for exams? Practice and Repetition is how you learn and commit information into memory.

BCBird · 21/08/2025 22:15

MrsEmmelineLucas · 21/08/2025 22:02

I would agree. It's very shocking how a small number of students consistently disrupt learning for the majority, in many schools.

This is very true. I taught for 30.years. I.loved working with children and building positive relationships but I was in despair about the severe disruption caused by a few.

hangerup · 21/08/2025 22:16

And more to the point, what is wrong for ‘drilling’ for exams?

Indeed

napody · 21/08/2025 22:17

GeneralPeter · 21/08/2025 20:38

My guess is it’s largely down to overt selection by the parents who want their children educated there. They are going to be very focused on education and intolerant of distractions.

Also a high proportion of self-selecting immigrants, who are going to be higher agency and probably higher capability than the population average.

It's this.
The marketisation of education is what leads to this kind of segregation in outcomes.

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:18

BCBird · 21/08/2025 22:15

This is very true. I taught for 30.years. I.loved working with children and building positive relationships but I was in despair about the severe disruption caused by a few.

The worst thing about it is in a work environment you would be protected from that. Anyone disruptive gets fired, anyone who assaults you can be arrested. Anyone who bullies you can have a grievance raised against them and disciplinary action taken. I wouldn’t tolerate someone’s behaviour impeding my ability to do my job so can’t understand why it is tolerated in schools and the children have to just out up with it. If KB takes a harsh line on bad behaviour then I don’t have a problem with that.

missrabbit1990 · 21/08/2025 22:20

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:14

And more to the point, what is wrong for ‘drilling’ for exams? Practice and Repetition is how you learn and commit information into memory.

Nothing wrong with drilling to some extent but covering the GCSE curriculum from year 7 means they are not getting access to broader knowledge existing beyond the curriculum , opportunities for communication and self expression etc. drilling is fine but not if it’s ALL you do.

Peculiar23 · 21/08/2025 22:21

It would be interesting to know what happens with those who aren’t going to make the grades.
I know it’s completely different but I know of a ‘high performing’ school in a different area who off rolls or insists on parents paying to enter privately so results aren’t affected.
Theyre not supposed to obviously but it absolutely happens

LadyQuackBeth · 21/08/2025 22:21

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:14

And more to the point, what is wrong for ‘drilling’ for exams? Practice and Repetition is how you learn and commit information into memory.

Exactly, the idea that's its "drilling" in place of wonderful artistic expression is ridiculous. In reality its drilling in place of wasting 1/3 of the lesson waiting for a select few to sit down and shut up. The poor behaviour and parents who don't care about it has a huge effect on how much time everyone else spends learning.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:24

Tutorpuzzle · 21/08/2025 21:59

And this is the thing, I genuinely don’t think most parents understand the levels of violence in most schools today (a whole other thread, I realise), and the impact it has on everyone else. Teachers and pupils, primary and secondary.

I’m sorry your dc had to go through that, I hope it’s now resolved.

Thanks, it's only resolved as the other child left the school after a proper assault on another child, serious injury, but their DM has absolutely no idea of personal responsibility and blamed the school for not allowing her Child to 'express themselves'...

Tutorpuzzle · 21/08/2025 22:28

Yes, that doesn’t surprise me @PamIsAVolleyballChamp , I was out of teaching for around a decade until last year. There were always the naughty ones, often absolute pains in the arse, but the actual day to day violence in mainstream schools (I did some supply, so saw a few schools,) has been astonishing.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:30

Drfosters · 21/08/2025 22:18

The worst thing about it is in a work environment you would be protected from that. Anyone disruptive gets fired, anyone who assaults you can be arrested. Anyone who bullies you can have a grievance raised against them and disciplinary action taken. I wouldn’t tolerate someone’s behaviour impeding my ability to do my job so can’t understand why it is tolerated in schools and the children have to just out up with it. If KB takes a harsh line on bad behaviour then I don’t have a problem with that.

Can you imagine if you were at work... a colleague then came at you from behind, smashed you to the floor, then sits on your chest punching you in the face, giving you a black eye and burst nose... and your hr department says 'what did you do.to make them do that'?! You need to go and ask to be their friend and say sorry for upsetting them!'

TomPinch · 21/08/2025 22:34

One of my children is diagnosed ASD. Strict, clear rules are way, way better for her because, like most children, she wants to know what she should do. If the rules are clear and enforced she knows where the boundaries are and that reduces stress on her and helps her do her best.

I reckon a lot of playing up by children is frustration about lack of clear rules, so it wouldn't surprise me at all that a school that has them wouldn't have as many SEN issues: the SEN kids are happy and know what's expected of them.

User2346 · 21/08/2025 22:38

TomPinch · 21/08/2025 22:34

One of my children is diagnosed ASD. Strict, clear rules are way, way better for her because, like most children, she wants to know what she should do. If the rules are clear and enforced she knows where the boundaries are and that reduces stress on her and helps her do her best.

I reckon a lot of playing up by children is frustration about lack of clear rules, so it wouldn't surprise me at all that a school that has them wouldn't have as many SEN issues: the SEN kids are happy and know what's expected of them.

I get you my SEN ds likes to know what’s expected of him and hates a disruptive classroom.

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PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:39

Exactly @TomPinch but some don't want to see that sadly

LupaMoonhowl · 21/08/2025 22:41

OhDorWheresthesalad · 21/08/2025 21:28

Other than being a master of self promotion?
I'm primary, not secondary. However, we'll never get results like hers because we actively welcome children/families with SEN, thrive on diversity and difference and want to do our best for those who the system fails. As a school we don't exclude and actively seek to integrate the "lost causes". She has a very different approach and her results are excellent. But she will never get job satisfaction in the way I do and that's fine, but I know what job I prefer to do.

How can you loftily say ‘she will never get job satisfaction like yours’? Rather arrogant! I would assume that her job satisfaction (in a job rather more difficult than yours as a class teacher) may come from seeing successive cohorts of disadvantaged pupils achieving highest results of school in England giving them a massive foundation to higher studies than those schools where only the strongest survive the mayhem and the weakest are left to wither.

Daboomboom · 21/08/2025 22:43

I didn't know about this school until today. Shes full of herself. 🤣

Whilst some children thrive with rules, giving them no autonomy means they are not prepared for life. For instance, if you've always been told to just do as you are told, then you dont learn the skills to think or stand up for yourself or how to use your initiative etc.

My Dad works with school/college leavers. He says that they might be academically clever but increasingly they've got no personalities or sense and need to be told how to do everything. His last intake were working in a dark room and when he asked why they didnt turn on the light they said they no one had told them too. These are top performing students.

PencilsInSpace · 21/08/2025 22:47

She has a huge amount of charisma and I imagine she's an excellent leader who inspires loyalty from the children and their parents. It's a small school and I think she's built it into a very strong community where the children all want to do their best.

It doesn't suit everybody - it wouldn't have suited my kids and I don't like all her methods - but there's no reason there couldn't be different kinds of schools with such strong, inspiring leaders. That's the key I think - smaller schools with great leadership.

healthybychristmas · 21/08/2025 22:48

OhDorWheresthesalad · 21/08/2025 21:46

@AnneLovesGilbert of course she is. But to get a buzz from exam results is very different to the one you get from helping children to communicate or interact or achieve at a level noone ever thought possible but the world will never recognise. Like I say, I know what I prefer.

That's not far though. Getting those children through exams give them a whole future that was denied them previously. I imagine she sleeps very well indeed knowing her students have a career ahead of them.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:49

@Daboomboom so schools where the pupils run the school because #feelings is best.
Because some kids don't like rulezz. There should never be rules?

Daboomboom · 21/08/2025 22:50

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 21/08/2025 22:49

@Daboomboom so schools where the pupils run the school because #feelings is best.
Because some kids don't like rulezz. There should never be rules?

I didnt say that at all. 🤷‍♀️