Thread 29 Starmer - Paint your Bandwagon

[DuncinToffee]

And do a little rain dance

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So ?

Hitler got rid of Hindenburg.

All Farage will do is use the will of the people line and destroy all and any opposition. Like Trump.

The acid test - as ever - will be who the army obey. Literally King or Country ?

The Government would have to separate Monarch from the state and Labour isn't going to do that. It's complicated and will take up precious Parliamentary time. Parliament is His Majesty's Government and MPs must swear allegiance to the King. Which is why Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats in Westminster.

Yes they could. What’s vastly more likely is that the current judiciary would just apply whatever laws a Reform government made. You don’t need elections.

We have liberal appearing judges because our laws are. If the laws are draconian then so too will the judiciary be. They apply the law, they don’t make it.

Yes I loved his story. His foster parents were amazing and really gave that lad a chance in life.

Applying laws in Parliament takes a lot of time and that Party needs a massive majority to do that.

Farage cannot do what he says he wants too because many countries will not accept back migrants, esp when there is no documentation.

Same with Golden Goodbyes, no passport....

Keeping migrants in ex MOD bases, requires 1000s of armed guards & large numbers of bases, all of which don't exist....

Why do you need judges ? Once you accept that the will of the people is "the law" then it becomes impossible for the state to break it. L'etat c'est moi and all that.

Will we see lettres de cachet ?

The Monarch has a right to veto and refuse Royal Assent.

Not if you bypass parliament. Just prorogue it with a majority vote obtained by having Farage fans outside the palace of Westminster reminding MPs ot the "correct" vote.

"Nice little family you've got there. Be a shame if anything happened to them."

It takes a lot less time than you think. Farage has already drafted his deportation bill. It would then be handed to Parliamentary Counsel to perfect it.

I assume the model is Trump. Trump came into power with his own legal advice. He did not use the system. Farage isn’t going to either. He will arrive with his legal strategy intact. In that sense, he’s very clever, because he’s not going to rely on the Civil Service to create his policies. He will arrive with them made up and then they will have to deliver!

Oh FFS.

That’ll really protect woman and children 🙄 or is it only white British woman and children that matter?

Just when you think they cannot sink much lower …..

We don't have Exc orders.... he would need an overall majority but i do agree, he could do it quickly, look at Covid laws.

The Monarch has no right to defy the will of the people.

Have we forgotten that when it was suggested the Queen could stop Brexit, there was an immediate Republican fervour amongst the more shouty Brexiteers ? I clearly recall noting at the time that rather undermined the argument about "sovereignty". It was (and is) only about power.

It’s an excellent point. Maybe we won’t need them!

The Home Office are recruiting “adjudicators” to deal with the asylum backlog. There are probably a lot of things done by judges which could be done by someone else or indeed, AI.

Parliament is sovereign.
Anything is up for grabs.

It’s easy to do. The reason Westminster takes an age is reverence for checks and balances. But most of Brexit was actually done by secondary legislation with little to no scrutiny. COVID is another example. There are lots precedents for doing things quickly.

Farage is already saying this is a national emergency. Yes, someone with some legal skill and parliamentary knowledge can make it happen fast.

Seen today

We had a civil war on this. No monarch is going to not sign an act of parliament. It’s literally the fig leaf that was agreed so the job remained in place.

Well indeed anything is up for grabs. Including the monarchy. Let's take over Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle. We could house the asylum seekers there.

And anyone who objects will be fired if they are lucky.

However all those gulaggy type hostels wont be empty for long as they start to fill with enemies of the state.

To stall, the Monarchy could have a succession of abdications.

And Farage will also need them to provide an alternative to the sketchy constitution that currently exists within the UK.

Parliament is sovereign.

Sez 'oo ?

Look around you. Most people think Starmer is personally responsible for everything, so it would be perfect natural for them to assume an incoming Farage gets to run the country on personal command. By the time they realise their mistake it's too late. After all they've already shown they're happy to be fooled anyway.

Which is why it is important that he establishes who the real enemies undermining the state are - Macron, the judiciary, the Civil Service, the disabled, minorities, anyone without a flag, the BBC etc.

I would prefer if Labour stopped being quite so timid on a whole raft of issues and got on with what they said..... Dentistry, Cheaper Energy, the "Broadest Shoulders" Growth, roads and yes x ch migration too

That way, Reform wont get a look in.

There are probably a lot of career politicians in Labour who are thinking Farage may be the future. Labour hasn't struck me as a party of principle since Blair. In fact I imagine there are a lot of Labour MPs who joined because they saw the lack of ideology as a bonus.

We can deduce this because when faced with situations that should be simple matters of principle, the fudge barrel gets rolled out.