Thread 29 Starmer - Paint your Bandwagon

[DuncinToffee]

And do a little rain dance

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In the spirit of you saying you’re open to civilised, fact based debate - how do you see the government falling, exactly?

There's no discernment when it comes to egregious.

Ignore @cardibach

That looks interesting. I enjoyed The Suspicions of Mr Whicher by the same author.

Christie killed his wife and many other women.

Some after the case had been closed on Evans. Hanging the wrong man allowed a real killer to carry on. Which is a purely pragmatic reason not to hang people if your justice system cares about protecting the public (it doesn't).

I think that it will be death by a thousand cuts (no pun meant). Let me define ‘falling’ by being unable to govern, effectively. A zombie government, if you will.

I am a subscriber to ‘it’s the economy, stupid’ - Reeves will not be able to deliver the numbers she needs to in November - she’s damned either way. Starmer will probably knife her, assisted by Rayner. It will be a tough winter with a lot of disenfranchised people.

To me, the protests are a side show - a distraction to the main topic. But, there is a link - people are feeling poorer, and they are turning on Labour, with the immigration debate, a useful vehicle.

My honest, honest view is that this Labour government will be compelled to call an early GE. Yes, I am invested in that - I want them to fail. I would rather roll the dice on what comes next than have them remain in government.

Again, just my instinct you understand.

You’re saying what you think (would like?) will happen. Not how.

All her books are interesting for sure!

If competence is a factor in how long a government lasts, then with the 2019-2024 governments example I wouldn't be looking till about 2066 ...

The last year feels like a week of Tory rule.

I thought this was very interesting about asylum hotels, I think someone on our previous thread had stayed in one prior to it’s use for asylum seekers and found it far from luxurious

Yes, I would like it - very much.

As to the how - here’s one hypothesis:

The budget is an unmitigated disaster - received badly by the markets, by the elecorate. It’s a PR disaster and the media have a field day. Yields blow out. Inflation proves stubborn and there is zero or negative growth. Stagflation. Reeves is taken out like a loose tooth. Labour splits. Starmer’s and the government’s ratings are on their arse. The back benches and unions keep Starmer honest from one side, the markets from the other.

I dont think many people realise what a pickle Reeves is in.

Reeves is useless, but what you've said there is a load of absolute tosh, frankly.

@cardibach

Now let me ask you one. And please, be honest.

Why do you think Reeves cried during PMQ’s?

And yet the Tories didn’t lose power after the Truss budget. How does this split happen? How does it reduce the majority to nothing?
Actually, don’t bother. I responded because you said you were open to fact based debate but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Have a good evening. I’m out.

Don’t know, don’t care. Irrelevant.

We will not have long to wait, but keen to hear your view.

You do have a view, don’t you?

Just added the books to my library list, thanks!

Ah, it seems that the constructive engagement is not universal.

Noted.

See my previous post.

As I say, noted.

I will assume this is an enduring policy going forward.

It was a Tory policy. So axiomatically it had to benefit a bunch of grifters who would never invest if they can suck on the taxpayer teat. There is a pattern here.

Now they have got the courts to do their dirty work, these sites will see an explosion of "city living" shoeboxes at extortionate fleecehold rates with zero space for any of the people gathering to complain.

Maybe the hive mind of MN can help, but there is a film, I am sure, where having done all the heavy lifting to clear the scum out, the proprietor then turns to his "patriots" and tells them to hoppit or they'll be arrested saying something like how did scum like them imagine he'd be in their side ? . If not, it should be.

I do remember something like that Jane, now you got me thinking what film or tv series it was. US based

Very likely. I have a feeling the nuance was rammed home with a sledgehammer so almost certainly US.

There is probably an Aesop fable or something it's based on. It's hardly a new phenomenon.

I attended a conference in one, if it was me? Our room was at the end of a corridor of bedrooms and we commented how much it smelled of urine and neglect. Have to say the lunch was excellent, if limited in choice but the whole place looked run down. There is a terrace overlooking a river and it was all roped off as ‘dangerous’ after a flood, but the flood in question had been a while back. I remember thinking that if I’d booked my wedding there I’d be annoyed to find one of the main selling points was inaccessible. When I told DH he said he’d stopped booking meetings and conference facilities there because it was a far cry from what it used to be. I work in what you would call an underfunded area, so I expect the facilities were going cheap.

Eta: oh and the plumbing was dire! Took several attempts to flush the loo and the pipes made a terrible noise!

"If this was back in the states I wouldn't board my dog here !"

"Fussy is he ? Poodle ?"