What would a land value tax look like instead of council tax?

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Just saw something about this in the news. Concerned about potential impact on home owners in London who may not necessarily be wealthy - ie no other assets to sell and not a huge income.

does anyone know?

I have friends in cheaper houses than me outside London who pay quite a bit less CT.

more CT!

Part of the problem has been pushing down responsibility for services to local councils. They’ve become underfunded beasts and should have stuck to what they did best and central government should be responsible for care etc

I never had a problem with this

We're back to the poll tax again.

I've just mentioned on another thread that if people think the 2021 census was shite, it's as nothing compared to the 1991 which saw thousands of people disappear from the official records as they suspected (correctly) the government would use the data to "find" people who should be paying the tax. Something which were are still paying for in the shape of underprovided services.

The electoral rolls also suffered.

It’s much the same as what we have now. Not therefore on a persons head but with assumptions based on bedroom numbers

However local councils don’t upgrade on a regular basis. People building extensions and adding extra bedrooms don’t have to pay an increase in their rates. I disagree with this
Councils Should have more access to building regs submissions and approvals so they can upgrade the CTax to suit.

If you plonk that tax on top of income tax (i.e. only paid by working people)

It makes no sense to target just working people. They aren't enough of them

It’s all just bollocks. We should pay per person the exact same amount. Anything tied to wealth is then going to be assessed on your salary, how much you spend via VAT and your car use.

See my post above to another

They could target people living overseas anyway. No one’s stopping them doing that separately.

More taxes on landlords will just mean higher rents.

I also disagree with it, NDN have very large extension which would mean their band B semi should probably be D at least but it won't change until they move, they have been there about 30 years with this extension.

Councils Should have more access to building regs submissions and approvals so they can upgrade the CTax to suit.

()More) people would just not comply.

I lived in Wandsworth at the time. A marginal seat. So actually our poll tax was £0. In reality the bill said they owed us money but it was readjusted to zero.

So the Tories spun it to get votes.

Of course you haven't. Because you haven't the first idea of the issues involved.

I appreciate that. But then they wouldn’t be able to sell either.
Then once they try the building costs identify when the extension was built = fraud = 17% on top of what owed plus a fine.
They get you one way or the other.

We should pay per person the exact same amount

So somebody living in a 5-acre mansion with 10 bedrooms and 200 Kgs refuse a week, should pay the same as a pensioner living in a one bedsit properly putting out a shoebox of waste a year ?

However

A single person living in a larger property wouldnt be producing any more refuse than a single person in a smaller one
Its still just one person

I am still not sure why council tax is more epensive the more north you go really. Mine in NE is higher than places like Sevenoaks

Adult social care varies by area. It’s not dependent on house prices.
Adult social care is a large part of the bill

I was working by then, but had plenty or friends who were still at Uni. A few dropped off everything official, and one "moved back" to France to live with their DF. Or so they told the council.

I wasn't in with a particularly radical crowd, so I suspect there were many many more who did similar.

For myself, I chose to pay instalments and every single payment was 3 weeks late. Apparently quite a few people did that which made the cost of collecting the tax (which came out of the tax, naturally) much more than expected.

Then Mrs Thatcher was assassinated and the Tories spent the next 5 years forgetting it happened (see also: Brexit).

More ways to tax. Perhaps the gov shouldn’t tax so much it hits growth and drives the need for more ways to do it.

There’s a few pieces on this and why it’s ok in theory very difficult in reality.

Land taxes work well because land is pretty hard to hide.

Land values are in the Land registry records.

If council tax was going to be at all progressive it would need to go beyond Band Z

Replacing Stamp duty with a low land tax
and council tax with a land tax that generated the same value
would be simpler to collect than almost any other type.

Land taxes work well because land is pretty hard to hide.

You'd think.

Try that and you'll run into all the land which isn't registered (and never will be) that is held in trust and just passed down quietly.

Why waste time and money replacing stamp duty with a land tax.
They’re much the same thing