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Thread 27 Starmer: He's a very clever cat

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DuncinToffee · 11/07/2025 18:03

A nod to the Chief Mouser

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placemats · 30/07/2025 12:39

Efacsen · 29/07/2025 22:58

IDK but doesn't seem pre-planned to me - he was 'leafleting' for the cause just before he got into an altercation with the man he hospitalised - pictures released by the police show him carrying a satchel-type bag and pacing around protesting his innocence

Unless you mean he was prepared inasmuch he always carries his passport with him in case he commits a crime and has to immediately leave the country?

Yes pre planned as in wanting to settle things before departure, so would have his probably Irish passport. Not a conspiracy in that the police stitched him up. That's one floating around on the direly fail.

Notonthestairs · 30/07/2025 14:57

The issue isn’t confined to volume of appearances though - it’s the willingness to let Reform politicians to claim ‘facts’ without checking the underlying assumptions.

Thats where so much of media falls down (or more to the point stoops).

PickAChew · 30/07/2025 15:13

Well quite. Davey brought this up in an interview, last month

"You cover the tittle tattle around Reform – you don’t look at their policies,” said the Lib Dem leader. “When I look at the broad BBC coverage, he gets such an easy ride, and he gets covered when he says horrible things that aren’t producing solutions for people’s problems"

Evenstar · 30/07/2025 15:18

Someone on Bluesky shared this 😂

Thread 27 Starmer: He's a very clever cat
SerendipityJane · 30/07/2025 16:54

Evenstar · 30/07/2025 15:18

Someone on Bluesky shared this 😂

A use for "AI" after all.

DuncinToffee · 30/07/2025 20:15

'After Farage accused Raskin of being “the most pig-headed person he’d ever met,” the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee clapped back: “This is why we had a revolution against you guys.” '

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-jamie-raskin-visit-reform-democrats-donald-trump/

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Notonthestairs · 30/07/2025 20:56

“GOP lawmakers warned that those laws, aimed at requiring platforms to take more decisive action against harmful content, infringe on the free speech rights of Americans and specifically harm U.S. tech giants.”

This why Farage is blathering on about free speech/freedom to access porn. Appealing to US tech companies 💵 - heaven forbid they have to take some responsibility for what they publish.

DuncinToffee · 30/07/2025 21:28

He also described tommy ten names as a "wanted fugitive" who should not have been able to pass through our international border.

We migh need to lay down for a bit

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DuncinToffee · 30/07/2025 21:53

The Washington Post just published the names of more than 18,500 children in Gaza killed by Israel.
https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lv7fx6nbsk2h

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placemats · 30/07/2025 22:07

'A giant man baby' sums up Farage.

Notonthestairs · 30/07/2025 22:12

I agree with Philp. I understand that S Yorks Police investigations team are being overseen by the Independent Office of Police Complaints. However, given how many years it has taken for it to get to this stage and the resistance and deflections they’ve met as recently as a couple of years ago I fully understand why victims and the public would want a wholly independent investigation. How can those girls, now women, and their families ever trust authorities again?

I also wondered how YaxleyLennon was able to leave as he did. It’s not like he didn’t have form for it.

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 08:32

I also wondered how YaxleyLennon was able to leave as he did. It’s not like he didn’t have form for it.

In news that the two-tier-crowd aren't chanting, bail seems ludicrously stacked in favour of the accused. Almost certainly because legal system that can take longer than elephantine gestation would see half the country behind bars waiting for their trial (as an aside, it should be considered a fundamental right that having been charged, the state has 6 months to try you or that's it - you walk free with jeopardy attached).

The most egregious instance was when the entire world knew Julien Assange was going to do a runner but "the system" didn't permit the judge to impose remand. (Which I doubt ... the "my hands are tied" defence doesn't really work in England. We aren't American for gods sake).

Notonthestairs · 31/07/2025 08:53

"as an aside, it should be considered a fundamental right that having been charged, the state has 6 months to try you or that's it - you walk free with jeopardy attached"
Well if we had money to throw at the justice system I suspect that would make the biggest difference of all to reoffending rates.

But I wasnt expecting YaxleyLennon to be on bail - just being questioned would have been sufficient.

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 08:56

Starmer, Carney and Macron have upset Trumpski.

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SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 09:00

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 08:56

Starmer, Carney and Macron have upset Trumpski.

Maybe the Epstein story is giving them an opportunity to push back ?

Also he has rather blown his load with all his bluster, threats and "in 90 days" bollocks.

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 09:01

It's almost like they are working together.......

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Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2025 09:04

I certainly would have felt a huge amount of schadenfreude had TR's fugitive stunt been staged yesterday and he'd got stuck in a an airport.

He's been to Tenerife before - he seems to have access to a property there.

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 09:10

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 09:01

It's almost like they are working together.......

Whether they are or not, it doesn't do any harm to let that idea live rent-free in the MAGA mind for a while.

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 09:21

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 09:10

Whether they are or not, it doesn't do any harm to let that idea live rent-free in the MAGA mind for a while.

Interesting, could be a pincer movement

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/maga-is-turning-against-israel-and-trump-knows-it-20250731-p5mjbi

here's the gist:

Donald Trump is already fighting one front in a growing war with his Maga movement over his involvement with sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. But soon he could be fighting a second front, this time over his involvement with Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu.
On Monday night, Marjorie Taylor Greene became the first Republican member of Congress to brand Israel’s actions in Gaza as “genocide”. Posting on X, the lawmaker broke with Trump on the issue: “October 7 in Israel was horrific, and all hostages must be returned”, she wrote. “But so is the genocide, humanitarian crisis, and starvation happening in Gaza.”

The Georgia Congresswoman has a complicated record when it comes to Israel and Jewish people. Until now, she has remained loyal to Trump’s policy of ironclad support for Prime Minister Netanyahu, even at times branding Democrat critics of Israel as antisemitic. Yet she is also known for promoting conspiracy theories, and in 2018 questioned whether the deadly forest fires in California could have been the work of space lasers connected to the Rothschilds, an antisemitic falsehood that she parroted in a now-deleted Facebook post. She later rejected claims she had held this belief.

Donald Trump boards Air Force One at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland en route to Washington (Photo: Jacquelyn Martin/AP)
Greene’s decision to use the term genocide came on the same day Trump told reporters that “real starvation” is taking place in Gaza, rejecting Netanyahu’s claim that no famine is occurring in the territory. “I see it and you can’t fake that”, he said during a trip to Scotland, referring to the images of emaciated people emanating from Gaza. “So we’re going to be even more involved.”

Trump himself is under growing pressure from other prominent figures within his own movement to break with Netanyahu. The seeds were sown last month, when the President’s former political adviser Steve Bannon declared that Israel can no longer be considered an “ally” of the United States.
“I’ve been a strong believer in Israel,” Bannon told Newsweek in an interview last month about US and Israeli military strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities. After describing pro-Israel figures within Maga as “Netanyahu town-criers”, he insisted the Israeli government was “not an ally”, adding: “And don’t ask me on that, ask President Trump.”
Former Florida congressman Matt Gaetz is another prominent Maga figure who has quietly hardened his position on Israel. Now an anchor on far-right broadcaster One America News, Gaetz caused consternation in Israeli government circles last week by devoting a segment of his nightly broadcast to the killing of Palestinian-American Saif Musallet by Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Branding the Israeli’s military actions “aggressive”, he called the killing “another scandal”.

“Are innocent people, families, even Americans just getting summarily slain?” asked Gaetz, rhetorically. “This isn’t an isolated tragedy”, he assured viewers of the network, which is hugely popular with Trump’s grassroots.
Read Next: Trump’s Gaza warning to Israel: You can’t fake that kind of starvation
Behind the scenes, Bannon has reportedly been counselling Trump to heed growing disquiet among his younger supporters about Israel’s conduct in Gaza. Politico reported on Tuesday that “Maga is careening toward one of the last remaining Republican shibboleths: unconditional support for Israel”. Bannon told the site that “for the under-30-year-old Maga base, Israel has almost no support”. He predicted that Trump’s acknowledgment of starvation occurring in Gaza will only hasten a further collapse in support.
On Capitol Hill, Greene remains a lone Republican voice. No other elected member of the party has gone anywhere near the term genocide, and the vast majority of Senate Republicans continue to line up solidly behind Israel and its wartime leader. AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, remains one of the country’s most powerful political lobbies, donating more than $51m to lawmakers, political action committees and party committees in between 2023 and 2024.

They may be more than a year away, but the November 2026 mid-term elections are looming and Republicans in the House and the Senate will be cognisant of shifting opinions among their potential voters towards Netanyahu’s conduct in Gaza. Barring a ceasefire and resolution of the crisis in the territory, Republican incumbents may find the issue increasingly potent on the campaign trail.
Greene may be the first Republican lawmaker to use the term genocide over the crisis in Gaza, but in the months ahead she will almost certainly not be the last.

MAGA is turning against Israel and Trump knows it

A vocal contingent of his support base, including young Republicans and far-right podcasters, have grown sceptical of the US relationship with Israel.

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/maga-is-turning-against-israel-and-trump-knows-it-20250731-p5mjbi

cardibach · 31/07/2025 09:26

Most of that article is about Rachel Reeves’ theatre tickets. The media can turn any story into an attack on Labour.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 09:30

Lots about the Republicans’ support for Israel there and how it’s shifting @SerendipityJane .
What about the Democrats, does anyone know? Why aren’t they standing up? (Or are they and I missed it?). I seem to recall Gaza being one of the reasons given for not voting Harris. How’s that working out for them?

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2025 09:33

What about the Democrats,

That is really like a US reader asking "What about the <insert any party with no power> ?" surely ?