To think I should be allowed weight loss injections?

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Firstly, I think it’s a great thing that people are able to use this medication to gain control over their weight, and I think the bar set for getting them on the NHS is ridiculously high and it should be given to anyone who is obese. All those years people spent banging on about how much obesity was pressuring the NHS and then when we’re given a medication to tackle it they don’t make it available!

So I’m not confused about why I can’t get it on the NHS - I shouldn’t be able to - but why can’t I pay for it?

My BMI is 24 and I’d like to shift a stone and a half/two stone. I’ve fluctuated between this weight and a stone lighter for about ten years. I used to be able to shift half a stone at least but this time I’m really struggling.

I keep getting adverts about weight loss injections so I thought I’d have a look. Filled in the questionnaire and it says my BMI isn’t high enough for a prescription? But surely if my starting BMI was, say 35, I’d be allowed to stay on them until my BMI was 21/22, which is what I’d like? So why can’t I pay for them to lose a couple of stone?

I think you’re just pissed off that overweight people are losing weight in big numbers.

Don’t worry, there’s plenty of weight loss for everybody, crack on.

Are you jealous that all these fattiest are soon going to be skinner than you or something? It appears that way.

I’m very pleased that overweight people are finding a way to help them lose weight. I said so in the OP.

Crack on with what?

Reread the OP.

No, your OP is you whining about how the NHS isn’t giving you the jabs for free.

Because you want to lose weight for vanity not for your health.. 24 is a healthy bmi it would be ridiculous to give you a weight loss drug on the nhs

I don’t think it’s jealousy that others are getting slim. It’s more like envy of how much easier it is to lose weight without the food noise. And it feels unfair when you’re not allowed the same. But I think this thread has highlighted the good reasons why not everyone can have it. And WLI aren’t easy for everyone I know

So I’m not confused about why I can’t get it on the NHS - I shouldn’t be able to - but why can’t I pay for it?

This OP?

Where did I say on the NHS?

I said the opposite.

I did, it was you kicking off you couldn’t get weight loss jabs.

You seen the bit where I said that I thought that obese people should be able to get them much easier on the NHS then?

Oh I definitely think it’s jealousy. Look at the hundreds of threads on MN moaning on about people who use weight loss jabs and the sheer ignorance of assuming people are lying and getting them for free. Who cares about fair? If you’re below the BMI range then you can’t get them, simple. Guidelines are there for a reason, they might change who knows.

And the bit where you can’t understand why you can’t pay for them…

Right. Well thanks for that.

But first you said:

All those years people spent banging on about how much obesity was pressuring the NHS and then when we’re given a medication to tackle it they don’t make it available!

So your first thought is that people should get it for free.

Obese people, yes.

So if you acknowledge only obese people should get it then you must know why you shouldn’t get it.

Only obese people should get it free.

And why do you think that might be?

Because for obese people it has health benefits.

I want it for reasons of vanity. Hence asking why I can’t pay for it. As you can with a range of medical procedures.

Hopefully you’re all caught up now.

I haven’t read everything… but you CAN pay a private doctor to evaluate you and see if it’s safe. For enough money they might say so like they do for celebs. You can also affordably travel to a country where you don’t need a prescription. The online prescribing pharmacies are run in a way that they can’t safely prescribe for anyone outside of the normal rules. There are loads of reasons why it’s a problem that in some places you don’t need a prescription for anything from the pharmacy, but no one is stopping you from travelling and doing it. Hopefully you’d read all the information because we only know risks for people who start out obese/with a compromised metabolism. Risks could be much much higher and I’d reccomend against that.

I was wondering how the celebs were managing to circumvent the rules!

I definitely won’t be travelling abroad. It was just idle curiosity really to even fill the form in. Interesting though, thanks.

You don’t seem to know the basics about the risks associated with weight loss injections if you’ve not even heard of this.

There are multiple significant side effects that can occur. And many of these are still being discovered now as vast numbers of people are taking the drugs and more data is becoming available.

Obese individuals will feel that the possible side effects of the injections outweigh the risks of being obese.

You don’t have those risks so it would be grossly negligent to prescribe you the drugs, especially as it’s a vanity project for you as you have a healthy BMI.

You keep comparing the injections to cosmetic surgery. Risks associated with cosmetic surgery are much smaller, and crucially, they’re very clear and well-documented. Much of the data on weight loss injections came from diabetics - the non-diabetic body behaves quite differently and although there’s data, there’s not as much nor as long-term, hence why new data is constantly coming to light. That includes positive effects, not just negative.

As for clinics that will continue to prescribe to maintain weight, that’s still controversial. The idea is that it allows weight to be maintained to prevent obesity and all the associated risks. You aren’t obese so don’t have the same risk of piling weight back on. There are plenty of clinicians who don’t think it’s ethical to prescribe a maintenance dose and I don’t know how much data there is on the long-term risks of this.

Long story short, these are very powerful drugs that interfere with your body’s metabolic function. No one should even consider taking them without doing their homework and it’s absolutely right that they shouldn’t be handed out like sweeties, even to people who are willing to pay.

Just eat more pies.

When your BMI reaches 30 you can get your jabs.

If only I had time to do this before my holidays.