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Thread 18 - TalkLair: "That's no moon. It's a space station!"

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RasaSayangEh · 22/06/2025 17:58

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We've had our heatwave - is this it for the summer? All is lush and green in our LairGarden, flowers are blooming, berries are ripening...

In the TalkLair, all the windows are open, the Pimms is chilled, the MN massive salad is ready to serve. The denizens of the lair are a welcoming bunch, always eager for general chit-chat on all manner of topics. We just won’t mention the gnawed bones of our prey over there in the corner of the cave…

Thread 17 - TalkLair: "Okay, first of all, what's with the outfit? Live in the now, okay? You look like DeBarge." | Mumsnet

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/12/2025 16:48

Wow - that's next-level brass neck!

The local charity shops are well stocked with xmas party supplies from our clearout. They've had 8 decanters and 2 carafes as well, and will be getting a box of candle holders tomorrow.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 02/12/2025 17:03

Beyond brass neck, that's outrageous. Shameful.

MyrtleLion · 02/12/2025 19:58

I have some rather lovely crockery that I inherited from my dad. It has gilt on it so can't be used in a microwave (and the plates are huuuge). Dishwashing is likely to take the gilt off too.

What do I do with it? I don't think there's any value to them.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/12/2025 20:06

Worth looking up the mark, just in case it's valuable. If you won't use it you could ebay it as a whole, or for spares. Or charity shop if you don’t want the faff.

Or you could keep it for best, as PaBint did, and use it once every half century.

Gonners · 02/12/2025 20:43

My mother had some lovely crockery and a very good set of silver cutlery, all of which had mysteriously disappeared by the time she was sectioned and I went to clear her house. Neither sis (in the Anti-Podes) nor I (in the Italian-Podes) actually wanted any of it and took the view that if the carers had removed it, well, they had earned it!

She had, however, hidden the best of the silver at the bottom of her underwear drawer - as you do - so I took that to Age UK and told them that the place was full of expensive unworn clothing (much of it still with the labels on) and other very saleable stuff. Bless them, they didn't cherry pick, but completely cleared the house - including getting all the furniture removed by a charity for people who needed it - and had all the rubbish bagged and removed. (I had done what I could, but after filling the garage with bin-liners I gave up.)

I have recently joined Dignitas.

Sorry! 😅On a cheerier note, I see we're on the Dreaded Page 40. Paging @RasaSayangEh

artant · 02/12/2025 21:06

I need to have a major sort out and take things to a charity shop. Because I am hopeless at getting round to the big stuff I’ve set myself the more manageable target of getting rid of something every day (either throwing something away or adding it to the still too modest charity shop bag). I think I should be able to get the contents of the house down to a sensible level within a couple of centuries. Oh well.

Gonners · 02/12/2025 21:36

I'm a terrific chucker-out and could perhaps make a living out of teaching it. I put this down to army-brat training!

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RasaSayangEh · 03/12/2025 09:58

Got woken up by phone call in the middle of the night, which I ignored. Turns out when I got up at 6am to a zillion WhatsApp messages in the family group, it was my mum calling to tell me that my grandmother has passed away.

Not feeling sad ATM. She was 99 and had lost her marbles years ago.

Spent all morning dealing with logistics, trying to work out if I could get back in time for the funeral, it's this Friday (typical Asian funeral)! Plus the cost of it - ironically last week I'd just bought my flight to go home in January, in principle I could pay a change fee which wouldn't be as much as a whole separate ticket.

Fortunately after a lot of back and forth it's now been decided that I won't go for the funeral but will send a monetary contribution as the eldest grandchild. My brother is able to get home seeing as he's closer, so he'll "represent" both of us.

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RasaSayangEh · 03/12/2025 09:58

Got woken up by phone call in the middle of the night, which I ignored. Turns out when I got up at 6am to a zillion WhatsApp messages in the family group, it was my mum calling to tell me that my grandmother has passed away.

Not feeling sad ATM. She was 99 and had lost her marbles years ago.

Spent all morning dealing with logistics, trying to work out if I could get back in time for the funeral, it's this Friday (typical Asian funeral)! Plus the cost of it - ironically last week I'd just bought my flight to go home in January, in principle I could pay a change fee which wouldn't be as much as a whole separate ticket.

Fortunately after a lot of back and forth it's now been decided that I won't go for the funeral but will send a monetary contribution as the eldest grandchild. My brother is able to get home seeing as he's closer, so he'll "represent" both of us.

I'm sorry your grandmother has died - 99 years is a long life. I hope they were good years for her and your family.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/12/2025 10:23

Condolences, Rasa. It can be an odd mix of feelings when dementia's involved.

I'm glad you've found a suitable solution to the logistics. Short notice flights at this time of year would be tricky as well as expensive, I should think.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 03/12/2025 10:28

Condolences, Rasa. 99 is very old and I hope they were good years for her, she must have seen a great many changes over that time. I hope all goes well for the funeral and you have a good catch up with your family next month.

RasaSayangEh · 03/12/2025 13:09

GM lived a very long life indeed. AFAIK she didn’t have a proper birth certificate, record-keeping in rural areas of colonial Malaya being slightly hit-and-miss a century ago, but we used to celebrate her birthday on Christmas Eve - she’d have turned 100 this year! She saw such enormous changes in the world, used to tell me so many stories about her life and for much of my early childhood she was my main carer as my parents had to move to the capital city for work.

Her parents were illiterate rubber-tappers, her early years living in an attap-roofed hut in the rubber estate with no electricity or running water. There used to be snakes nesting in the attap leaves and a secondary reason for the mosquito nets was so that snakes wouldn’t drop onto you in bed. The rubber-tappers went out before dawn when the air was cooler and damper. They’d set off in a group and then branch out to their designated areas, banging gongs/bells/pots to hopefully scare off the tigers which had learned that humans were a helpless and tasty snack. She didn’t go to school (only her brothers were allowed some education) so was illiterate her whole life and only spoke her family dialect fluently. During WWII, ethnic Chinese people were especially persecuted by the Japanese occupiers, and women suffered particularly (you can guess how). GM and female friends/family were hidden indoors or even in the jungle, when they had to move about would cover their heads and swathe themselves in big sarongs, hoping to be mistaken as elderly Malay women.

Towards the end of the war when she was around 18, she had an arranged marriage to my grandad (from a good but impoverished Peranakan family, had a gammy leg due to surviving polio) in Georgetown, which must have seemed like an sophisticated bustling metropolis to GM. She had to learn Malay and other dialects of Chinese to speak to the people around her. She gave birth to 9 babies, of whom 8 survived. They grew up in near-poverty on my grandad’s civil service clerk wages, the older children having to help care for the younger ones, and all scrapping for enough food. My mum and all her siblings show the unmistakable tiny-boned bowleggedness of childhood malnutrition. GD was a naturally gifted musician who could play numerous instruments who supplemented his income by playing in a nightclub band - the older kids including my mum were roped in to play in the band.

Meanwhile, Malaysia gained independence and everybody stopped singing “God Save the King/Queen” and The Beatles took over the world and men went to the Moon . When I was born in the 1970s, Malaysia was still a third world country. When I lived with them as a tiny child, they’d moved out of old Georgetown into a modern mid-century suburb, renting a small terrace house with another family. My younger unmarried aunts and uncles still lived at home so it was a crowded little place. Despite the modern ideal of the area, in fact there were cows, goats and chickens roaming the suburban streets, just beyond the estate was the dense mountainous jungle of the island’s interior. The cities were developing rapidly though - I remember us having to teach GM how to use an escalator, this scary newfangled thing, in a newfangled place called a shopping centre!

GD died of cancer when I was 3, by which time most of the family had dispersed across the country (and the world - some to the UK, Australia, Canada to become nurses etc, back when Commonwealth citizens were still considered British). GM never had a home of her own after that, moving between her children’s houses for grandchild-care. But this meant she got to travel around a lot and spent many months at a time in the West, got to see seasons and eat pies and roasts and picked up a remarkable understanding of English. The family would club together for GM’s airfare, which had to be the cheapest possible - this usually meant Aeroflot to London, transiting in Moscow. We’d take her to the airport, scope around for a kindly-looking fellow passenger and beg for them to guide her through to London! GM was still a frequent visitor to the UK when I moved here as a student, also came to my graduations, wedding, and many times when DDs were little. All without being able to read and not really speaking English! Although she adored DH and would gabble in broken English at him for hours Grin And she just about grasped the Internet age, with my mum’s laptop we used to talk to her over Skype and later FaceTime. She even had a mobile phone for some years, until she became too deaf to hear us shouting at her.

Until 2019, she was still stubbornly hobbling around Georgetown, shopping in the markets, cooking her amazing old recipes, doing all the rituals for the numerous religious festivals which were so important to her. Then, she developed dementia perhaps due to some combination of the deafness and several mini-strokes (and possibly lockdown) and went very rapidly downhill. My mum has often expressed regret that we didn’t learn as many of the stories, recipes and traditions that we should have - it almost took everybody by surprise when GM suddenly “wasn’t there” anymore.

Thread 18 - TalkLair: "That's no moon. It's a space station!"
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NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/12/2025 13:22

She sounds a remarkable woman. That's quite a life!

Medee · 03/12/2025 13:30

Beautiful tribute @RasaSayangEh , thank you for sharing her story.

moto748e · 03/12/2025 13:41

What a lovely read and insight, Rasa!

Gonners · 03/12/2025 14:59

That's a lovely tribute, @RasaSayangEh. What a sense of adventure!

weaselyeyes · 03/12/2025 15:01

That's such a moving story, rasa. How amazing that the world has changed so much in the lifetime of one person. Imagine her knowing as a child that people like us would be hearing about her life one day! She's clearly given your family so much

SinnerBoy · 03/12/2025 15:15

My sympathies, Kuc. Your gran does sound as though she had a wonderful life!

You reminded me of my uncle's grandad, who lived to 100. There's a family photo of him, uncle's dad, uncle and baby boy cousin. GGD was about 90, cousin about 1.

He said to me, "I've seen so much change, from horse and cart, sailing ships to men on the moon."

DeanElderberry · 03/12/2025 15:17

Wow. Sympathy to you all on her loss, but what an amazing woman.

moto748e · 03/12/2025 15:26

I took the liberty of c & p'ing your GM's tale, Rasa, to send to my DS. Of course I'd forgotten about his World Tour (back about 10 years ago?), but his comment was, I enjoyed our time in Malaysia, Georgetown a particular highlight.

RasaSayangEh · 03/12/2025 15:42

Thank you all! 💙 GM was awesome. I'm still not really feeling that sad, I think I did my grieving when the dementia took her away from me. Also, just last month she was hospitalised with pneumonia and the medics said it was 50-50, although she did recover after the second course of antibiotics, I've been sort of waiting for it to happen ever since.

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