Brigette macron hits Emmanuel

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has anyone seen this on the news?! What do we all think, it’s all a bit bizarre

He must have security nearby. I’m surprised they didn’t step in. But I guess they might not have risk assessed him being attacked by his wife.

@5128gap are you aware of the psychological impact of domestic abuse, and the way that victims become attached to their abusers? Escaping abusive relationships is about far more than money, power and support.

That’s not how abuse works at all.

I wasn’t sure just looking at it that it wasn’t something like that, only why didn’t they just say so if that’s all it was?

It wasn’t so violent I couldn’t have believed it was banter except they both look so stony-faced, so … I guess it was some kind of fraught interaction.

Exactly. And it shocks me that there are still women out there who don’t know this. I had hoped this stuff was being taught in schools now.

Yes it does. You don't stay with someone for a long time with someone unless you love them. Not in this day and age.

I edited this as it sounded as if she had married him at 15

Yeah, you do. For the kids, for financial reasons or…because you’re in an abusive relationship? It happens a lot. Divorce may have increased but people still get stuck in abusive relationships. Some of them, so much so, that they become victims of murder.

Abuse isn’t cut and dry. Many victims go back four times I believe before finally breaking free. Abuse is very complicated. Even in this day and age.

What a storm in a teacup and how many Rusdian trolls are on here? Mumsnet should delete or investigate all the posts about Brigitte being a man and Emmanuel being a homosexual. This garbage has been swirling around a while.

Give over. He's one of the most powerful men in the world. Not short of money or somewhere to live like most abuse victims.

Yes, I'm well aware of that. I'm also well aware of the way in which immense power, wealth and privilege would greatly facilitate a man wishing to exit an abusive relationship, so to compare M Macron's situation to an ordinary woman being abused by a male partner is entirely inappropriate.

This and of course people can stay with someone who is abusive long term.

He's powerful, but if he's been groomed he'll have developed a dependency on his wife.

Again, that’s literally not how abuse works.

It’s not about their job or status or financial situation. Rich and ‘powerful’ people get abused too.

Oh right, it won't make a single difference to a man groomed from childhood and has made a career in the public eye to have his wife threatening to ruin him, that she could say anything she liked about him and he wouldn't be believed because he's a man and physically stronger, to have people taking the piss out of him, his masculinity, his sexuality, creating mental images (or cartoons) of him in school uniform, to be mocked for not smacking her back, to have all of that not just known to a few people in the immediate area, but around the entire world.

Yes, I think some kind of fraught interaction is a good way of describing it, seeing as we don’t know for sure and probably never will.
There looked to be some force behind the push to his face,which is what suggested to me that it wasn’t just that she was checking his face for something or joking around. That,and the look of shock on his face.

Bear this in mind. This was a relationship that started when he was very young and vulnerable. It has indeed lasted many years (his whole adult life and a bit before) It isn't the same as dumping the latest internet loser you've been seeing for a few months and plenty of threads on here indicate some people struggle with that.

So any successful woman with power should be able to simply leave their abuser with ease? And those that don’t? Can’t?

I had an affair with a teacher when I was at uni and I was 19. He was in his thirties. Sorry to say I didn't feel abused and I chucked him because I didn't fancy him anymore 😅

That’s nice. Were you 15 years old? No? What’s the correlation then?

I was 14 when I had a relationship with a 20 year old. Was I vulnerable? Yes. Was it appropriate? No. Did I have the maturity to see what was happening? No. Should someone have intervened to protect me? Yes.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Do you live in Moscow?

He probably told her to lay off the Burgundy before the doors opened.

I'm just saying that these days the teacher would have been sacked for a consenting relationship between two adults. If Madame Macron is to be believed, they didn't sleep together until he was in his 20s and she didn't leave her husband until 10 years later.

RTFT. You'll see exactly where I'm coming from - experience of knowing the shit abusers pull to ensure their victims never leave or tell.

The thing is grooming is grooming even if the people involved don’t see it that way (or it was culturally acceptable, acceptable in the past etc.) I was groomed as a teenager but it took me thirty years to see it that way, not fully until I had children of my own and understood about how grooming happens.
the key thing is that the groomer has all the control - and the person who is groomed doesn’t get to choose anything about the relationship, including even whether they really want to be in it at all, but they think they do and this can be what causes the shame and the fear of what might happen or they leave etc. So the fact that he married her, or is even still with her, doesn’t mean that the relationship can now be an equal and healthy one because of the way it came into being.