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The semicolon is dead;long live the comma splice.

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cakeorwine · 18/05/2025 19:13

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/may/18/marked-decline-semicolon-use-english-books-study-suggests

Apparently fewer people are using semicolons nowadays, they prefer using commas in their sentences.

The comma splice is really annoying. Either use a full stop or a semicolon but don't use a comma when you don't need to.

Marked decline in semicolons in English books, study suggests

Usage of punctuation down almost half in two decades as further research finds 67% of British students rarely use it

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/may/18/marked-decline-semicolon-use-english-books-study-suggests

OP posts:
autistickie · 18/05/2025 23:47

Oh, and I’m pretty proud of my 9/10!

surreygirl1987 · 19/05/2025 00:26

I love a semicolon and I HATE comma splicing. (10/10).

BellissimoGecko · 19/05/2025 00:27

FloozingThePlot · 18/05/2025 21:09

9/10. I like a semi colon and a comma splice; both have their place.

A comma splice has no place, ever. It’s always wrong.

surreygirl1987 · 19/05/2025 00:33

BellissimoGecko · 19/05/2025 00:27

A comma splice has no place, ever. It’s always wrong.

I agree. It's just incorrect. I'm an English teacher and it's my biggest bug-bear in my students' writing. The problem is that so many people seem to think it's acceptable these days.

Gundogday · 19/05/2025 00:42

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 18/05/2025 20:00

"The king is dead, long live the king."
"The king is dead; long live the king."
"The king is dead. Long live the king."
The king is dead - long live the king."

As much of a fan of semicolons as I am, I'm not sure I'd use one in that sentence. I'd probably go for a hyphen but I do tend to overuse those. A comma seems all kinds of wrong.

I’m a hyphen fan as well.

Gundogday · 19/05/2025 00:50

brigidsexcitableaunt · 18/05/2025 21:15

To me statements spliced by a comma read like a train of thought with pauses...
That's what em-dashes are for. Alas, the ignorance of hyphens, en-dashes and em-dashes is so widespread that they're impossible to find in a lot of virtual keyboards.

I thought they were all hyphens and didn’t realise they had different names, or in fact lengths!

I’ve also learnt a couple of days ago that there’s such a thing as an Oxford Comma.

Gundogday · 19/05/2025 00:53

BellissimoGecko · 18/05/2025 22:49

In the UK we use spaced en dashes for parenthetical clauses or to signal an interruption in a sentence. Em dashes are generally used in US English.

Don’t confuse me further, I’ve just read about em and en dashes, and now you’re saying there’s spaced en-dashes (and why aren’t they called n- and m- dashes?)

Gundogday · 19/05/2025 00:56

Forgot to say, I got 5/10 so am obviously the dunce of the group, and also the product of 70/80 education (although I did get an English a-level).

EBearhug · 19/05/2025 01:04

10/10, and my schooling was '70s & '80s.

I am a fan of both the semi-colon and Oxford comma.

This week's Word of Mouth was about punctuation. Although I am seeing Michael Rosen in a new light after he described his use of exclamation marks.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002c3cb

Cattenberg · 19/05/2025 01:07

I think it depends on how much distance you would like between the clauses. Do you want to keep one clause somewhat separate? Use brackets. Would you like to 'balance' two connected sentences? Use a semi-colon. Do you want it all to flow smoothly in an informal manner? Use dashes.

The above is not based on any grammar rules, just my preference.

upinaballoon · 19/05/2025 03:14

NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/05/2025 19:49

Can we, possibly, maybe, even potentially, ban, what is, the absolute infestation, of SODDING COMMAS, everywhere?

Oh, come on. There are usually far too few sodding commas on these threads.

upinaballoon · 19/05/2025 03:27

cakeorwine · 18/05/2025 20:04

I was walking to the shops, it took a long time.

When you connect 2 independent clauses with a comma.

I would call them two sentences. (I have had a debate with myself as to whether or not 'it took a long time' constitutes a sentence.) I'm going back to sleep now.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/05/2025 06:47

upinaballoon · 19/05/2025 03:14

Oh, come on. There are usually far too few sodding commas on these threads.

I'm talking about in the wild (at work, for example).

I've always used 'How does it feel being read out loud?' as my acceptable standard for writing; those commas leave the reader lost in space and gasping for breath.

PrincessOfPreschool · 19/05/2025 07:10

Fairyvocals · 18/05/2025 20:02

I got 9/10 but in the one I got allegedly wrong I didn’t think any of the sentences needed a semicolon - a full stop would have been preferable.

I got 8 and disagreed with one. It seemed a weird place to use one.

Proudtobeanortherner · 19/05/2025 07:23

Amazingly 10/10 here, commas and semi-colons are not interchangeable. I hate comma splices 😡

brigidsexcitableaunt · 19/05/2025 19:33

Gundogday · 19/05/2025 00:53

Don’t confuse me further, I’ve just read about em and en dashes, and now you’re saying there’s spaced en-dashes (and why aren’t they called n- and m- dashes?)

They are called n and m dashes; they're only written as they are to avoid misunderstandings. i.e. so that the reader knows the n and the m aren't initials for something else.
And "spaced" just means there's a space before and after the dash. You can see em-dashes used in older 20th-century books with no space between the dash and the words on either side.

surreygirl1987 · 19/05/2025 22:40

brigidsexcitableaunt · 19/05/2025 19:33

They are called n and m dashes; they're only written as they are to avoid misunderstandings. i.e. so that the reader knows the n and the m aren't initials for something else.
And "spaced" just means there's a space before and after the dash. You can see em-dashes used in older 20th-century books with no space between the dash and the words on either side.

Yes - and I believe ChatGPT does that too (based upon my students' work when they try to pass off an AI essay as their own! 🙄)

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