Thread 22 Starmer - Running up to local elections

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Here we go. Previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5305431-thread-21-starmer-casting-nasturtiums?page=40&reply=143731831

Absolutely. Hopefully Runcorn will be a wake up call. It may only be six votes but it’s an overturn of a 14k majority, they need to take heed.

This in spades it’s not the six votes that that matter it’s the 14k majority which has been wiped out

My Pollyanna hat just fell off and got run over by a bus.

You are both right.☹️

Don't try to outperform Reform basically. They can lie and promise just about anytihng, the press will lend them a hand.

Labour should offer solutions, focus on what they were elected on.

At least Arron Banks didn't win

Pleased enough with Doncaster - I think it’s quite a Brexity place, and pretty deprived.
Beyond sick of hearing about immigration- as in the stream of false narratives, and some of the obscene ideas to resolve small boats are often sickening to the stomach - the slightly less sickening proposals, if you genuinely believe in the narratives are just unworkable anyway, which no one seems to notice - words are enough it seems. I hope when migration is not immediately stopped by the councillors into the relevant town then some Reform voters will feel hard done by and change their vote - judgy I know, but I do think a proportion of them are that ill informed.

Lincolnshire and Staffordshire on target to have Reform control. I almost pity them.

Doge Lincolnshire, those pot holes will be filled with pot plants.

I feel for those who didn't vote Reform

It’s what they’ve voted for. I’m really pleased, their performance should consign them to the political dustbin by the time the next GE arrives.

https://www.labourtogether.uk/how-labour-won-2024-report

This is an interesting article. It outlines what Labour must do to hold onto power for 20 years.

Labour - helped by our media - let Reform dictate the terms of reference. As any Tory will tell you, you cant out Farage Farage simply because he doesnt give any policy detail. Deliberately information lite so they can pivot away when they are found out.

It serves the media because a Farage soundbite policy lite nonsense is more readily packaged into a headline. Labour need to work out what positive headlines they can make. (Yes I still think our media is warped - see Heat Pumps podcasts and Evan Davies, ask yourself when were heat pumps genuinely too controversial?)

Incumbent administrations generally get a walloping - just ask the Conservatives about that. Blair didnt but that was unusual.

Government is unpopular. I dont mean Labour, I mean generally. Particularly after Brexit whacked GDP and we've all felt/seen the impact of Austerity. Conservative chickens coming home to roost and poop.

Brexit has eaten the Conservatives. This is a loss to public life. I might not agree with their politics but they had more substance than Dubai Tice and friends. Presumably the Conservatives will fall in behind Farage if not now then under Jenrick later - and lose more votes to the L/Ds (fine by me) and possibly the Greens.

Reform mayors and councillors will blame the Government for all the false promises they were never able to keep.

I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than Reform but both the Tories and Labour have failed to stop the migration of undocumented young men into this country.

(Yes I still think our media is warped - see Heat Pumps podcasts and Evan Davies, ask yourself when were heat pumps genuinely too controversial?)

Yes that was an extremely odd decision, has the BBC explained it other than 'political bias'?

Amol Rajan's interview with Gary Lineker was quite enlighting on a similar issue.

You mean 'asylum seekers '?

Agree. Canaries in coal mines come to mind. They voted to be the canaries.

I'm hoping east Yorkshire doesn't go the same way, though wouldn't be surprised if it did.

That should have been 10 years

Add hotel rooms, food and pocket money and you have the Reform bingo

Sarah Pochin, newly elected Reform MP, supports the Government's cutting of the winter fuel allowance.

And therein lies the problem. You don't even want to try to listen to other people's concerns, you dismiss it straight away. That's why Reform are doing so well.

Labour used to be the party for the working class, that all stopped under New Labour. Reform have now filled that vacancy.

In a nutshell. I have long suspected that the main contributors to these threads are not affected by these problems. I’m not either. I’m very privileged.

How long are you giving labour to achieve this ? What are Reform’s plans for immigration ?
Would you be happy leaving the ECHR to allegedly reduce immigration? What if leaving the ECHR doesn’t do anything to reduce it but we’ve lost the benefits of being a member, what then ? Leave the UN ? Leave NATO ? What ?

The Reform response to immigration is unworkable.
Makes great headlines though.

As does the idea that they will simultaneously improve public services and slash taxes. Which taxes? Which public services?

There is a reason why the Conservatives werent able to make it work either. If they could have done they would have done.

And frankly it doesnt matter how low immigration goes - for Farage it will never ben enough because now he's got that wedge issue stuck in there and he's going to twist it.

Lol. I’ve been on this thread ages, lots of name changes, not always posting, and I’m not privileged by any means. So your suspicion is unfounded.

So reform are like the old labour part of yore ? Crikey. I’ll have to look out for a well funded NHS and public services in the next manifesto.
I’m getting a bit sick of this ‘reform are for the working class’. It’s absolute rubbish.