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How is the median salary in the UK so high?

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MellowAquaBalonz · 14/04/2025 10:45

The median gross annual salary for full-time employees in the UK in April 2024 was £37,430. This represents a 6.9% increase compared to £35,004 in April 2023. London's median salary is notably higher, at £47,500.

Those salaries are more often found in tech/banking/consulting etc. I am on a management consultancy grad scheme in London and it's only 40k off the bat, 50k once I am promoted in 2 years etc. And thousands applied for this.

I thought most people in the UK were in low-paid service jobs like hairdressing, shop assistants etc.

OP posts:
ErrolTheDragon · 14/04/2025 13:08

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 12:59

There is only one calculation for average ( x̄ )

Of course. It’s the mean. Median is a different calculation which is more useful for skewed distributions like wages. Maybe we need some graphs?!

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 13:10

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:06

THIS is exactly what we need to be telling our children when they're thinking about University. A lot of "manual" work pays far better than comfy desk jobs. We need to change the mindset that manual work is all dirty and for the thicko's. It really isn't. There are railway line engineers working anti social hours earning over £100k doing pretty basic "grunt" work, whilst their supervisors/engineers are earning even more.

I wouldn’t consider it “pretty basic grunt work” to be a railway engineer as you need a BS degree in Mechanical or Civil Engineering to qualify, but I agree with your overall point that desk jobs aren’t always the best paid jobs.

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 13:11

ErrolTheDragon · 14/04/2025 13:08

Of course. It’s the mean. Median is a different calculation which is more useful for skewed distributions like wages. Maybe we need some graphs?!

Average = mean
I know what the median is, it’s not the average.

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Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:11

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 13:10

I wouldn’t consider it “pretty basic grunt work” to be a railway engineer as you need a BS degree in Mechanical or Civil Engineering to qualify, but I agree with your overall point that desk jobs aren’t always the best paid jobs.

I was referring to the labourers who don't need a BSc! I did mention the supervisors/engineers separately who'd be paid more and would be the ones with the degrees.

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 13:13

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:11

I was referring to the labourers who don't need a BSc! I did mention the supervisors/engineers separately who'd be paid more and would be the ones with the degrees.

Sorry:
”There are railway line engineers working anti social hours earning over £100k doing pretty basic "grunt" work, whilst their supervisors/engineers are earning even more.”

I thought you were referring to Jr vs Sr engineers, rather than non-engineers and engineers as you referred to both groups as “engineers”

marcopront · 14/04/2025 13:31

@SpiritAdder

Have a look at these

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

This is from Oxford - I can't do a link
I am not sure why the picture isn't showing.

Average - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

GoSteadyReady · 14/04/2025 13:33

@SpiritAdder you are wrong.

Mode is the value that has the highest frequency in the dataset, mean can be arithmetic (simply summing up all values and dividing by the number count) or it can be geometric. Median, is the value that is midway with half of the values above and half below. All of these are conceptually trying to identify the average.

You can also have simple average, weighted average, etc.

So there are many ways of calculating an average and the mean is not the only one.

Mielikki · 14/04/2025 13:35

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 12:43

Average is the mean.
The other measures are not the average.
If your understanding is that of a Yr8 child that median and mode are also “averages”, that’s not something to crow about,

You are absolutely incorrect I'm afraid. All are measures of average (or central tendency) and which measure you choose depends on the distribution of the data you are analysing. Arithmetic mean is used for data with a Gaussian distribution, median for data with a skewed distribution (such as income and price data), mode for data that is binned (quantised), geometric mean for data which follows an underlying power law (e.g. share price time series). There are others, such as harmonic mean, and Tukey mean which are again used for specific data distributions.

The ONS have a handy guide here if this is new to you: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04444/

zzplec · 14/04/2025 13:37

@SpiritAdder - Just Google "types of average" and you'll find plenty of sites explaining that there are several types of average, one of which is the mean average. But it's not the only one.

dogcatkitten · 14/04/2025 13:44

SerendipityJane · 14/04/2025 11:51

Median, mode and mean are all "averages". Mathematically and linguistically.

They are all attempts at giving some insight into a set of data depending on what is important to you. The median tells you there are as many values below this point as above, the mean gives you a true average the sum of the values divided by the number of points. The mode is the most frequently occurring value and that could theoretically be anywhere along the distribution.

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:46

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 13:13

Sorry:
”There are railway line engineers working anti social hours earning over £100k doing pretty basic "grunt" work, whilst their supervisors/engineers are earning even more.”

I thought you were referring to Jr vs Sr engineers, rather than non-engineers and engineers as you referred to both groups as “engineers”

Edited

Lots of unqualified workers refer to themselves as engineers as do their employers. There's no definition as to who can call themselves an engineer and who can't. Even within the engineering profession, there are different levels of qualifications meaning different levels of engineer. Lots of people are formally regarded as "engineers" when they don't have degrees etc. It's a very loose term, and yes, the labourers are often called "engineers" just as someone who lays the cable for a domestic broadband connection is called a "telecoms engineer" despite likewise basically being a labourer without formal engineering qualifications.

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:47

dogcatkitten · 14/04/2025 13:44

They are all attempts at giving some insight into a set of data depending on what is important to you. The median tells you there are as many values below this point as above, the mean gives you a true average the sum of the values divided by the number of points. The mode is the most frequently occurring value and that could theoretically be anywhere along the distribution.

Edited

The reality is that you need to know the underlying data and how the average has been defined before any figure of average has any meaning at all. If you don't understand statistics then arguably any "average" figure is meaningless to you as you don't understand the bases upon which it has been calculated.

dogcatkitten · 14/04/2025 13:50

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:46

Lots of unqualified workers refer to themselves as engineers as do their employers. There's no definition as to who can call themselves an engineer and who can't. Even within the engineering profession, there are different levels of qualifications meaning different levels of engineer. Lots of people are formally regarded as "engineers" when they don't have degrees etc. It's a very loose term, and yes, the labourers are often called "engineers" just as someone who lays the cable for a domestic broadband connection is called a "telecoms engineer" despite likewise basically being a labourer without formal engineering qualifications.

To really call yourself an Engineer you should be a member of one of the institutes, Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers, or Mechanical Engineers, or Electrical Engineers, etc. But anyone who can hold a screwdriver or wield a spanner calls themselves an engineer

luxurything · 14/04/2025 13:55

I’m the opposite where people think my job is more well paid than it is, work for a car brand (think luxury like Porsche) and customers always ask which I drive
mate I’m on min wage Grin

MellowAquaBalonz · 14/04/2025 14:02

Meadowfinch · 14/04/2025 12:55

OP, The last two graduates I have recruited started on £30k and £35k. Someone with a Masters in Applied Maths from Cambridge, recently started on £90k.

You are also ignoring the impact of years experience. Experienced Nurses and teachers can earn £50k. The slater who reroofed our house told my ds a skilled slater would be on about £90k a year . My sister, with no degree but 30 years experience, earns £85k as an HR manager.

Why did you think most people earn minimum wage?

As a graduate, now you need to add 10 years experience, get some good projects under your belt, and move job a few times to improve your income.

Edited

Someone with a Masters in Applied Maths from Cambridge, recently started on £90k. what do they do for a living?

OP posts:
bruffin · 14/04/2025 14:13

dogcatkitten · 14/04/2025 13:50

To really call yourself an Engineer you should be a member of one of the institutes, Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers, or Mechanical Engineers, or Electrical Engineers, etc. But anyone who can hold a screwdriver or wield a spanner calls themselves an engineer

My DH is an Electrical Engineer and is a technician member of IET (I think) . He left school at 15 (aug baby) and did an apprenticeship but has no degree.

My DS 28 dropped out of his engineering degree when he left school, and is now a manufacturing techinician and has been taken on to do apprenticeship degree. He earns around 50k included bonus. He is hoping for a rise when he completes his degree next year.

Wisenotboring · 14/04/2025 14:39

Why are you comparing your just out of uni salary to a number that assimilates the salaries of people over lifetime of work? 37K isn't particularly high at all. Also, your post suggests that 2 or 3 years out of uni you will.be on 50k. Surely you realise that this starting point and trajectory are way above what many start with and what many end up on? Why do you think most people are on the minimum.wage? I'll be honest and admit that I've never thought about how.many people are on the minimum wage/part time, but as a management consultant you must surely be bright enough to recognise that many people earn far over 37k including teachers, doctors, solicitors, civil servants, many people in business etc.

SerendipityJane · 14/04/2025 14:43

SpiritAdder · 14/04/2025 12:36

No, only median is average.

Yes dear.

Mielikki · 14/04/2025 15:26

Badbadbunny · 14/04/2025 13:46

Lots of unqualified workers refer to themselves as engineers as do their employers. There's no definition as to who can call themselves an engineer and who can't. Even within the engineering profession, there are different levels of qualifications meaning different levels of engineer. Lots of people are formally regarded as "engineers" when they don't have degrees etc. It's a very loose term, and yes, the labourers are often called "engineers" just as someone who lays the cable for a domestic broadband connection is called a "telecoms engineer" despite likewise basically being a labourer without formal engineering qualifications.

The guys installing domestic broadband connections or servicing your boiler are no more "labourers" than they are engineers. They are technicians.

canthavethatonethen · 14/04/2025 15:48

That's a 'median' average. Try finding the 'mean' or 'mode' averages instead. They will give different figures.

MigGril · 14/04/2025 16:09

I always find it way more easier to look at the graphical data then just take set points. This graph is a couple of years old but was the most recent one I could find.

How is the median salary in the UK so high?
eurochick · 14/04/2025 16:10

OP you don’t seem to be accounting for the levels of salary that come with experience. My first FTE salary as a temp straight out of uni was £14.5k. After additional qualifications and hard work I was earning over £100k by age 30. My PAYE salary peaked at about £250k in my 40s before I became self-employed. £39k would be a high median salary if it were only looking at salaries in people’s first year of work but not if it is looking at all salaries.

Emotionalsupporthamster · 14/04/2025 16:18

Why are you asking OP? Do you feel that your 40k graduate salary is too low? If it makes you feel better I don’t earn that much more than you, with more than a decade experience, including management, in a job that requires a PhD, HTH.

HellsBells777 · 14/04/2025 16:27

MellowAquaBalonz · 14/04/2025 10:45

The median gross annual salary for full-time employees in the UK in April 2024 was £37,430. This represents a 6.9% increase compared to £35,004 in April 2023. London's median salary is notably higher, at £47,500.

Those salaries are more often found in tech/banking/consulting etc. I am on a management consultancy grad scheme in London and it's only 40k off the bat, 50k once I am promoted in 2 years etc. And thousands applied for this.

I thought most people in the UK were in low-paid service jobs like hairdressing, shop assistants etc.

Sorry, only just caught up with this thread and can sort of see why OP is ‘upset’ about median salaries. I started in a graduate management consultant role in 2025 (horrifyingly 20 years ago!!) on £55k and grad salaries gave definitely not kept up with inflation / overall economics. However, I feel that over the past 20 years there as been increasingly an understanding that grad doesn’t mean ‘better’ and that companies should pay for experience or sought after skill sets rather than the glut of graduates, without any exceptional skills, that have flooded the job market over the past 2 decades. I count myself incredibly lucky and know that if I was graduating now, that I would stand a chance in today’s job market.

EndlessTreadmill · 14/04/2025 16:27

I think you're unhappy with your starting salary. It does sound low for the top management consultancies (eg McKinsey, Bain etc), am assuming this is one of the Big 4 accountancy type firms?
I would look at the progression after the 2 years. And bear in mind, you are still in your early 20s, the question is whether you can increase fairly signficantly over the next 10 years, as then it starts to plateau off a bit.