Do schools speak to dc who have been opted out of vaccinations?

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If a parent doesn’t consent for teenage vaccinations when the team go to a school to vaccinate do they speak to the children who are opted out to offer them the chance to consent for themselves or are they just not called for the vaccine ?

Yes they do or they did when I was a school nurse.
All children were brought to the vaccine session and were given the opportunity to consent for themselves if parents hadn't consented or declined. This was back in 2013/2014.

My teen got his MMR at school after he forgot to give me the form so it wasn’t completed. He said he signed something. Though this could have been age 13/14 I can’t remember as it’s years ago. 12 is Gillick competent I think.

They don't speak to them as far as I am aware. I don't think there was anywhere on the form to put why you don't consent.

However as I consented I don't know. (I did say to both my children that final consent for vaccinations was theirs though. ) They both had their vaccines based on the fact if they got the illnesses there would be more needles.

Chosen not to vaccinate . She wasn’t sure whether to do that or the worried about side effects option .

This is just what I assumed happened, also that if a parent consented but a child of secondary school age refused I thought they had to accept that as well.

a couple of year ago now but my sister wasn’t asked when my parents opted her out of the hpv jab. They just called those that were having it in in alphabetical order. If you’re name wasn’t on the list then you weren’t called in.

They didn't do this with my eldest. I opted out of the HPV.

At my sons school the children (age 12 plus) could refuse a vaccine ever if parent signed c9nsent form. In those cases the school phoned parent to speak to child. If child still refused they couldn't vaccinate. Not sure how it worked in reverse.

DS also had to sign the consent form for his HPV vaccine. I'm 99% sure it said something about him being able to consent to the vaccine even if he didn't have parental written consent (though that might have been the flu vaccine).

If they refuse there's no much you can do. You can't hold term down so if they get up and walk off then that's it.

The vaccinations team have targets to try to reach 90-95% of students and reach herd immunity. They phone parents were there is no response or they have declined and discuss.

I’m pretty sure at our school kids had to consent for themselves from 12

In the 90s I signed all my eye and anaesthetic operation consent forms from the age of 12 onwards. The consultant didn't want my parents' consent so much as mine. He explained everything and it was under my control. I think he was a very wise man. My body, my choice. He knew I understood and we came to decisions together. I am forever grateful for that.

I actually completed the consent for DD today - in the info letter it stated they may discuss the vaccine with the young person to give them the option to consent themselves. Unsure if that’s just my local authority or the same everywhere.

What do you expect, them to hold a child down just because their parent consented?

There was a note on my daughter’s form I just signed that the children could be asked for their consent (or not) as well so I made sure my daughter was okay getting it at school (I’d take her myself if she preferred as she has anxiety and autism so sometimes needs support)

My 11 year old refuses consent when I'd already granted it. He wouldn't be considered Gillick competent but no one wanted to actually fight him about it in school. He went to a catch up session in the GP surgery with a parent and was fine, he felt much calmer in that environment.
It wasn't even a jab, it was the flu nasal spray!
To give a vaccine when parental consent is withheld you'd need to be sure of competence and that no pressure was exerted. Honestly might be easier to leave the child unvaccinated. If the child isn't actively pushing for it how do the nursing service prove that they (or the school) didn't exert pressure?

There is no legal age for gillick. Most vaccination teams will not gillick year 8s but it would not be illegal to do so. What they usually do is call down the whole class. Those who have consent get vaccinated, those whose parents have said no on the form get sent back to class and those who didn’t send the form back will have a talk to explain what it is and then the team call the parents to try and get consent on the day. That’s why it is very important to complete a form even if it is a “no”

And of course no child is ever going to be vaccinated if they don’t want it even if parent has consented.

Righteous people have you ever even read a research paper on any of these vaccines? Or do you just think vaccines=good people.

Our kids love a vaccine? Also you are stating that your kids became calmer after the covid vaccine and you don’t find it concerning that it’s apparently altered your children and made them ‘happier’? Totally off topic to the original question but I just found this comment bizarre.

I'm surprised people want to opt out of it. As an adult being told I had HPV and some abnormal cells during a smear was pretty horrifying. And that led to some invasive check ups and painful biopsies in the hospital. Thankfully it resolved itself without turning cancerous but I do wish the vaccine had been available when I was at school... Several female friends of mine have had similar experiences.

My understanding of Gillick competency is that a competent child can consent to treatment against their parent's wishes and without their knowledge, but can't refuse treatment in the same circumstances. I suppose they think refusing treatment, possibly because it's going to be painful or uncomfortable, and then potentially dying or being permanently disabled, is too big a consequence to put on a child.

There is no law that a medical professional can't speak to a child about whatever they want to at any age. I doubt they would but it depends on the policy of that NHS Trust.

It's selfish to quite a disgusting level for your friend to refuse her son's vaccinations because of "side effects" when if he passes HPV to a girl the side effect for her could be cancer.

Pressure to be protected from cancer?

And I suppose the information you have given her has been balanced and fair, and you have agreed together that cervical cancer is better than whatever you think the vaccine is going to do?

I get a phone call from the nursing team attending the school everytime it's flu vaccine day as I opt my child out of this vaccine. I write why on the form and still.thry phone to ensure I don't want them to have it.

(Its given via a spray in our region and is a live vaccine and I cannot be around a life vaccine due to medical condition).