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7.4 million people claim some form of disability or incapacity benefits

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MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 08:15

Given the various back and forth of discussion on the reduction in disability and incapacity benefits, not much data on the debate has been shared - it’s a mainly emotional debate.

So for context, the figures:

  • 7.4 million people claim sickness benefits of some kind
  • The total number of claimants has increased by a third in five years (up 1.8 million)
  • 1 in 10 working age adults claims, and 1 in 12 school aged children
  • 1.2 million people aged under 25 claim sickness benefits, a rise of two thirds in 5 years - 1 in 15 claiming something
  • 4 million adults claim sickness benefit of some kind, up from 2.8 million in 2019. Two thirds of that increase is people under 50.
  • 2.5 million people claim UC health benefits, up 500k people this year alone - in 2019 less than 500k people claimed this
  • 1.8 million have no requirement to look for work
  • Sickness benefits for working age adults are expected to cost £70b by 2030 - a third of the cost of the NHS
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IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:13

AlexP24 · 17/03/2025 14:08

And medical evidence can be provided in the form of a private diagnosis for ADHD. And then you, as carer, fill in a form. You can put whatever you like. And often, and I know it is hard for you to hear this, but some people lie. To get the money.

Exactly
There needs to be more evidence required
The fact that currently people don’t need a formal diagnosis and it’s based on ‘how we live our lives’ is perhaps why there are so many cla8mants

A previous thread sited intel that 84% of claimants do not have sufficient evidence to back up claims but are approved in the current system

So clearly if that 84% reduced to 0% those receiving the benefits will have backed up evidence of need. Therefore reducing fraudulent claims and ultimately the bill

farfallarocks · 17/03/2025 14:14

I agree its absurd, we were advised we could claim for ds who has adhd. He is absolutely fine on meds and doing well. Makes me wonder what is going on out there!

Frowningprovidence · 17/03/2025 14:14

IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:05

Perhaps parents need to deal with transport themselves
Or move closer to the schools
Many do

although appreciate people may have kids at different schools.
In which case move closer to the school that accommodates the child that cannot travel unaccompanied.

There needs to be significant savings made country wide.
Everyone is currently making sacrifices ….. no one is immune to personal responsibility

So the parent of a disabled child has to move but the parent if a non disabled chikd can have free transport. Those parents don't have to move?

Or you feel all parents have to move in walking distance of a school. So no families in rural areas, only towns?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Fundays12 · 17/03/2025 14:14

As a parent of a child who is disabled (specialist education from starting school etc) I genuinely wonder how people are getting disability payments without evidence. I provided evidence of all his NHS diagnosis, evidence from lots of outside professional of his support needs and his specialist school care plan which was all accepted and he got awarded but I have heard of someone get awarded because their mum provided a statement (no other evidence) and another person because a friend provided a letter (again no other evidence).

Nobody should be getting disability payments without significant evidence and if they are the system is failing so some people will take advantage of it.

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:15

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:39

What's the alternative? If a child needs to be in a special school then the care needs must be incredibly high.

My son has high rate care and mobility DLA but hasn't got a chance of going to a special school because he has no learning disability or behavioural issues yet he's also potentially too disabled for mainstream school too. We'll see when his EHCP is finalised if his school will accept him.

The alternative is a cheaper, more basic level of education. Children have a right to an education but not the best education money can buy, which fulfils their every want. No child should have £100,000 per year spent on them while others have a measly £7,000 (or whatever the standard rate is these days). We urgently need to invest in our future taxpayers and think about returns further down the line.

AlexP24 · 17/03/2025 14:15

Crikeyalmighty · 17/03/2025 14:13

@AlexP24 unfortunately this is exactly the situation of the example I posted earlier- I’m afraid the very genuine people are getting drowned out by the piss takers who know how to play the system. - and for those commenting about the middle class - these practices go across all classes but actually it’s more middle class people I know who are busy defending taking the piss - whereas more working class who are actually working are aware of people in their circles who are indeed taking the piss

Excellent point,

Funnywonder · 17/03/2025 14:16

PinkPonyPugClub · 17/03/2025 14:10

Given my pronounced tremor, I don’t think anyone will want me doing their nails or waxing their fanny 😂 I have a well paying career, but it doesn’t change the fact that my disability creates additional costs.

Oh God, that made me laugh more than it should have😆 I needed to read something lighthearted on this horribly depressing thread.

Pickledpoppetpickle · 17/03/2025 14:16

in the real world, everyone knows loads of people take the piss and claim benefits when they don't need to

I don't know anyone who openly claims benefits either illegally or that they have no need of

I know a fair few parents claiming Disability Living Allowance for their child's ADHD diagnosis. All the kids are in mainstream school, get absolutely no additional help whatsoever, parents are simply pocketing £400 a month or thereabouts

what additional help? There is very little additional help available in schools right now. There's never been much.

Basically there is a whole load of parents who have got a private diagnosis of ADHD for their child just because of the money. And yes, it is easy to get a private diagnosis and yes you can use it to get DLA

Says who? Most people wouldn't be able to afford a private diagnosis. And most parents would prefer their child didn't have a diagnosis rather than £400 a month.

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 14:16

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:11

I’m disabled. I have a seizure disorder.

Yes, I think we would be better off from a properly funded military, as we face a possible WW3.

Harsh as it is, we cannot exist as a country who spends 80% of its money propping up the vulnerable, while taxpayers see little return for their hard work. We deserve a quality of life - libraries, public swimming pools, clean and safe streets. All things going to rack and ruin by defunding as the benefit bill soars.

I find it strange that you think vulnerable people don’t deserve support from the tax payer. It’s the cornerstone of a civilised society.

I also find it strange that you think we’d have loads of money for the military if people’s benefits were cut.

If people want to know why the country is cash strapped, look to the mess the last government made with their vanity projects and abject tomfoolery. Look to the cost of leaving the EU - every economist warned us all.

Dont blame disabled people.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 14:17

IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:13

Exactly
There needs to be more evidence required
The fact that currently people don’t need a formal diagnosis and it’s based on ‘how we live our lives’ is perhaps why there are so many cla8mants

A previous thread sited intel that 84% of claimants do not have sufficient evidence to back up claims but are approved in the current system

So clearly if that 84% reduced to 0% those receiving the benefits will have backed up evidence of need. Therefore reducing fraudulent claims and ultimately the bill

Not exactly at all.

You need more evidence than just a diagnosis to claim DLA for your child because it is about care needs, not the diagnosis because some children have high care needs but no diagnosis or are awaiting the very long process of a potential diagnosis.

TigerRag · 17/03/2025 14:17

IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:13

Exactly
There needs to be more evidence required
The fact that currently people don’t need a formal diagnosis and it’s based on ‘how we live our lives’ is perhaps why there are so many cla8mants

A previous thread sited intel that 84% of claimants do not have sufficient evidence to back up claims but are approved in the current system

So clearly if that 84% reduced to 0% those receiving the benefits will have backed up evidence of need. Therefore reducing fraudulent claims and ultimately the bill

Just because someone doesn't have a formal diagnosis doesn't mean the needs aren't there.

I've been told I may never get a diagnosis. My needs are still just as valid

IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:18

Frowningprovidence · 17/03/2025 14:14

So the parent of a disabled child has to move but the parent if a non disabled chikd can have free transport. Those parents don't have to move?

Or you feel all parents have to move in walking distance of a school. So no families in rural areas, only towns?

No free transport
except in exceptional circumstances so for example…..a family living on a Scottish island running a business and keeping the economy going but without a secondary school on that island due to a low population.

The current system isn’t working
We are looking for ideas
Factual,

x2boys · 17/03/2025 14:18

farfallarocks · 17/03/2025 14:14

I agree its absurd, we were advised we could claim for ds who has adhd. He is absolutely fine on meds and doing well. Makes me wonder what is going on out there!

Then he wouldn't meet the criteria ,I'm sick of saying this but it's about how it impacts a person not a diagnosis

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 14:19

@BlackberryVioletyes in those days, some of the people on this thread were still kids themselves. I don’t really understand why MN isn’t doing more about it tbh.

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:19

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 14:16

I find it strange that you think vulnerable people don’t deserve support from the tax payer. It’s the cornerstone of a civilised society.

I also find it strange that you think we’d have loads of money for the military if people’s benefits were cut.

If people want to know why the country is cash strapped, look to the mess the last government made with their vanity projects and abject tomfoolery. Look to the cost of leaving the EU - every economist warned us all.

Dont blame disabled people.

That’s quite manipulative. Saying I think spending 100 billion a year on disability benefits is far too high, isn’t the same as saying vulnerable people don’t deserve support from the taxpayer. I think you know this. In fact, you do know this.

I will not fall for the emotional blackmail.

Most people are good people, and happy to contribute to a welfare state for the vulnerable. Not people pocketing 400 quid a month for ADHD which until now they managed perfectly fine without additional benefits.

The time has come for people to stop taking the piss out of the tax payer.

TigerRag · 17/03/2025 14:19

IAmNotASheep · 17/03/2025 14:18

No free transport
except in exceptional circumstances so for example…..a family living on a Scottish island running a business and keeping the economy going but without a secondary school on that island due to a low population.

The current system isn’t working
We are looking for ideas
Factual,

Edited

Does that mean parents would have to give up their job and remove their other children from their school just to get their disabled child to their specialist school?

Frowningprovidence · 17/03/2025 14:20

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:15

The alternative is a cheaper, more basic level of education. Children have a right to an education but not the best education money can buy, which fulfils their every want. No child should have £100,000 per year spent on them while others have a measly £7,000 (or whatever the standard rate is these days). We urgently need to invest in our future taxpayers and think about returns further down the line.

Children don't have a right to the best education money can buy catering to thier every want so you can relax.

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:21

Frowningprovidence · 17/03/2025 14:20

Children don't have a right to the best education money can buy catering to thier every want so you can relax.

But this is honestly what parents expect now. Have you read an EHCP?

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 17/03/2025 14:21

Keir Stamer, who stays in luxury apartments and hotels belonging to billionaire donors and whose wife is dressed in 10’s of thousands of clothes bought by billionaire donors is worried that disabled people living on the breadline are on the take. Right.

Have you all seen the cartoon of Murdoch with his giant plate of cookies telling the man with only one cookie that immigrants want to take his cookie? It’s all a razzle dazzle - get us all arguing about whether or not someone deserves money to support going to work or to buy products that make life more liveable while millionaires and billionaires get loopholes that allow them to avoid income tax, avoid inheritance tax and so on. Instead of tackling these loopholes and taxing those that have more money than they can spend in a lifetime we’re going after money for mobility aids and incontinence products. We’re arguing about disabled children getting £800 a month when others can live on £1600 - but honestly should someone live on £1600 (that wouldn’t cover rent and bills where I live, let alone food) and is that a reason not to fund necessities for kids that need it?

Stamer is a corrupt Tory and he is giving us all the razzle dazzle to distract us from the fact that the rich are getting so much richer and the tax payers are funding it. But sure, doesn’t he and his wife look spiffing in their lovely “donated” designer outfits!

In terms of sickness benefit - the Tory’s really messed up on covid and as a result the UK was one of the worst hit places. I know someone who went from
running her own successful business to being exhausted and needing to go to bed in the middle of the day. She has had to cut her work by more than half, she has had to give up her rental and plans for home ownership and move home with her parents in her 30’s. She is someone with two Masters who built a business from the ground and now she is barely scraping through her days, should we worry people like that are scrounging off the tax payers? People don’t want to get sick, they don’t choose it. Another friend is working in a public service that is so underfunded that they all end up working evenings and weekends as they deal with vulnerable people and don’t have anyone to shift the work to - several of his colleagues have burnt out and being signed off with stress, one of his colleagues also has long covid and was forced back to work too soon so had a complete relapse. But these people are all scroungers right? Who here would want to swap places with someone so ill they can’t work or who has mentally snapped after years of workplace stress and abuse?

In terms of ND people, it takes years and a lot of evidence to get assessed and then to show that it impacts your ability to work. It is likely there could be some that could go back to work if they were in the right industry with proper accommodations made. If anything there should be more money thrown into researching how to best accommodate people to get into work and supporting them in workplaces. Chris Packham had a wonderful speech about neurodiversity and how it exists in the animal kingdom too with a small percentage of animals displaying different traits but these traits helped the groups in situations like flooding, fires etc… Being different comes with challenges but it can also be a superpower. For instance they did a study on people with ADHD and found that while doing boring tasks they were slower and more distracted than neurotypical people but when doing something more complex that interested them that they outperformed the neurotypical people due to the ability of people with ADHD to hyperfocus on things of interest. Funding research and councillors that specialise in this area to help people find the thing they can hyperfocus on and help them into the workforce would cost money but in the long run would be a better world. Quite a lot if Artists and Novelists have recently announced that they have had adult diagnosis’s of autism and ADHD, wouldn’t the world be a lot less good if these people did as the right-wingers among you seem to be suggesting and just not have kids - quash out the different amongst us.

The world is not easy for people with physical impairments either - most people don’t know sign language, venues don’t have hearing loops or sign language interpreters so people with hearing impairments are often isolated and unable to partake in cultural activities. A lot of buildings do not have ramps or lifts and pavements are blocked by scaffolding and parked cars making getting places and seeing things impossible for people with mobility issues. Buses deny access to wheelchair users because someone refuses to fold their buggy. It is not easy to navigate the world with a disability which is why there are extra payments to disabled people. In a better society we would adapt the world to accommodate everyone.

There is a serious amount of begrudgery on this thread, the disabled are stealing the tax payer’s cookie but don’t look at Keir and his billionaire mates sit there munching on mounds of them (and don’t ask who paid for his suit).

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 14:22

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:19

That’s quite manipulative. Saying I think spending 100 billion a year on disability benefits is far too high, isn’t the same as saying vulnerable people don’t deserve support from the taxpayer. I think you know this. In fact, you do know this.

I will not fall for the emotional blackmail.

Most people are good people, and happy to contribute to a welfare state for the vulnerable. Not people pocketing 400 quid a month for ADHD which until now they managed perfectly fine without additional benefits.

The time has come for people to stop taking the piss out of the tax payer.

It’s not ‘manipulative’ whatsoever. It’s the truth of why the country is in such a state - if the truth offends you I’m not sorry. The last government ran our services into the ground.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 14:22

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:15

The alternative is a cheaper, more basic level of education. Children have a right to an education but not the best education money can buy, which fulfils their every want. No child should have £100,000 per year spent on them while others have a measly £7,000 (or whatever the standard rate is these days). We urgently need to invest in our future taxpayers and think about returns further down the line.

Why would you think it is filling a want, not a need?

My son will need an EHCP so he can access even a mainstream school as he needs 2:1 care. Not a want, a need and it isn't going to be cheap.

There isn't any other option.

Careertimenow · 17/03/2025 14:22

Pickledpoppetpickle · 17/03/2025 14:12

you don't empower anyone by taking money from them that helps them manage whatever condition it is that entitles them to that money

People on disability benefits will always be at the mercy of government policy and changes. If a person with a disability can get skilled in something they can do and earn money from it then why not. People who are ill and their disability effects their everyday life where they can't work or work part time these people are the most vulnerable and need that money. I know of a lot of abled body people who claim disability benefit when they could go to work instead. These people are taking back handers for work they do on the sly.

Xenia · 17/03/2025 14:22

For most people under the Tories taqx/NI went down but for those of us on £70k a year and more a year (top 10% which is £4263 a month from which is likely to come childcare of £2k and rent of £2k and no child benefit etc we have the highest tax burden for 70 years and often 9% student loan charge too on top of that. No one is expecting people to cry for those luxuriating on over £4k before rent and childcare comes off but it is part of the problem - that these 10% of people who are the high earners can no longer afford to keep the net takers from the system as we are taxed to the hilt.

May be the highest immigration 900k net people a year in British history has meant people coming with older relatives, women who don't work in their own culture and/or things like first cousin marriage and things that mean a higher claim on the state or may be we the existing UK population have just eaten so much most of us are now over weight than not (I am in that category so not saying anything on this I would not say about myself)

The state has certainly not made work pay either for those coming off benefits, or those about to lose the child benefit (at around £60k before tax and student loan a year) or at the level where you lose the "30 free hours" childcare and lose the personal tax allowance entirely too.

LIke most people I am very sorry for people who have a disability. I don't think anyone really "hates" anyone but a lot of us with the highest tax burden in 70 years feel enough is enough - the state has bit the hand that feeds it and the less well under the high tax Tories until the pips squeaked and bit the hand the feeds so much we are bleeding out on the floor as it were in terms of money so now is the time in my view to do radical things with tax and benefits eg a capped flat tax set at say 33% tax/NI combined, merge tax and NI, abolish IHT and stamp duty, have work fare for everyone who is not working even if is just typing at home for a few hours a day in return for benefits and that kind of thing so we all feel we do our bit and all get back something.

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 14:23

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 14:21

But this is honestly what parents expect now. Have you read an EHCP?

I’ve read lots of EHCPs.

Im all ears to hear your examples….

wherearemypastnames · 17/03/2025 14:23

Pretty damn sure it isn’t the disabled that are the target - but those who really are within the expectations range of capability/ capacity who are clearly now claiming when historically they would not

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