Thread 19 Starmer - A Coalition of the Willing

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You don’t need to say it’s tacit: I readily accept that the Tories failed in at least some respects. Given Covid and energy shocks from Russia’s war on Ukraine it was never going to be altogether rosy. But they had other failures that aren’t mitigated by external events, yes. Tackling the welfare bill was one of those.

The absence of Tory action to reduce the welfare bill doesn’t seem to trouble anyone on these threads though.

As we’re heading for economic choppy waters now that Reeves has decided to tax business and Trump has got in and gone berserk, you can expect plenty of big Labour failures.

Don't forget to add Brexit as a Tory failure

Brexit is always left off the list.

Can't be blamed on external issues

Rummly's failures seem to start in 2020, 10 years after the election

They increased the national debt from 67% to 85% BEFORE Covid.... or Ukraine, despite 10 years of Austerity.

Brexit too, oh for that 4% of GDP now!!

They slashed pandemic readiness too, very sensible!

Taxes have to rise, put them on business and thats wrong, put them on the working population and that would be wrong too.

As i said yesterday, the root cause of the business tax rises are Hunts NI cuts and no provision made for compensation schemes or pay rises.... gross negligence really but done deliberately to harm Labour and make economic conditions more favourable for a Con return in 2029, stuff the damage it causes to UK Plc...disgraceful.

I thought that was very fair of me.

In 2010 the coalition government inherited an economic basket case. Very difficult to make headway for many years after that.

Labour inherited a weak economy, but not one on its knees in the way Brown left it - and, yes, I know a great deal of that was caused by American lenders - so have had to try to ramp it all up with their mythical black hole. And a few months in, after the budget, it’s all getting worse.

interesting how selective you are when it comes to external events. We had a global financial crisis in 2008 which the UK weathered better than many economies. Sadly the Tory government squandered that.

Like most other developed countries, income and productivity growth has been very slow in the UK since the financial crisis of 2008–09. But on a per person basis, economic growth has been slower than in the US, the EU27 and Germany in that time. The slowdown has been particularly stark given that the UK economy, and its productivity, were growing quite quickly prior to 2008. While employment growth has been strong, average earnings growth has been dreadful - for which read almost non-existent. Gross Domestic Product per head is today nearly £11,000 lower than it would have been had pre crisis trends continued.

Much of that slowdown is a result of international factors well outside the control of any government: the fallout from the financial crisis, Covid, the energy price spike. But low investment, policy mistakes, political instability, and Brexit, have combined to hold back growth by more than in many comparable nations.

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/conservatives-and-economy-2010-24

Not so, we had 2 years of negative growth in 2008/09, in 2010 it grew by 2.1%... national debt was 67%.. despite the Bank Bailouts.

Interest rates very low, borrowing costs almost nil but what did the Tories do with these favourable economic factors.... cut cut and cut again, not saving anything in the longer term, just storing up more debt and failing public services.

According to the Guardian "Nigel Farage and other Reform UK MPs hold a press conference (at noon) to make what they call “a special announcement” ".

Wonder what that is all about?

Can you provide evidence of them getting their information from the government please?

I doubt it will have anything to do with this

Britain’s financial watchdog will ban Reform UK donor Crispin Odey from the sector and fine the hedge fund founder £1.8mn for a “lack of integrity” in his conduct after he faced allegations of sexual harassment and assault.

https://www.ft.com/content/52db18fc-658d-40b3-b58f-a33308bca180

https://news.sky.com/story/tariffs-to-blame-for-slowed-global-economic-growth-oecd-says-13330768

Global economic growth has been downgraded by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) - as the impact of US President Donald Trump's tariffs becomes apparent.

Major economies including the UK will have lower rates of GDP - a measure of an economy's value and everything produced - due to the US's imposition of taxes on some goods it imports, the Paris-based OECD club of 38 rich countries said.

The UK economy will grow only 1.4% this year, as opposed to the 1.7% previously anticipated.

Apparently 29 councillors have defected to Reform ahead of elections in May. Wonder how that will work out for them…
Farage making it a big deal and saying it shows they are ‘growing’ but it’s a tiny number in context and they haven’t been re-elected yet….

They had a elected councillor resigning yesterday, Maria Bowtell (defected from Cons)

https://bsky.app/profile/reformexposed.bsky.social/post/3lkkkuyfsak2m

That was a big announcement about nothing, wasn't it.

Just feeling a bit left out and wanted to feel a special boy again I reckon. His mate Trump is making it very clear where his type of politics ends up and people are stopping listening to him (I hope).

Damage limitation?

Interesting short thread-

“Last month I did a little experiment.

I wanted to see how the exact same post would perform on both X (Twitter) and Bluesky.

The results were...interesting...”

[Thread]
https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lkjabe5wmk2v

🙄

I was hoping for "Farage renounces UK citizenship and embarks on a Musk mission to Mars"

If only
I was thinking maybe he had to remind us how much of a unpleasant contemptible specimen he is.

I take it that’s a no then?

Would anyone know if any comparisons have been made with any other countries that have reasonably comparable populations after covid an increase in people not working/claiming benefits & if not did having much better health service/resources/support/ accessing Gp’s easily enough played a part
apologies not expressing myself well just idly musing really.

So you can't prove it's come from the government and therefore can only be, as many on this thread have already told you, mere speculation at this point.

There's this, published for the EU, last year. I haven't waded through it.

https://economy-finance.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2024-01/eb077_en.pdf