I’m a PIP assessor - is there anything I can help you with?

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Please let me know if I can help

Report them?

Why to PIP assessors report the exact opposite of what the client says?

I didn’t but their relative did

nothing happened

same as I know of a bloke who works cih and claims benifits so pays £28 a month via cms

yet works and gets £500+ a week cash

his ex reported him to hmrc and benefit fraud.

Nothing got done

the system is screwed

Why the 😂😂?

Would you say the same to someone who has had their hard amputated?
Would you really? Because I very much doubt so.

A hand where fingers are swollen, hurting etc… so much you can’t use it is not that disimilar.

But I assume that once again, you’re one of those people who never had more than a cold and can’t imagine people struggling….

I'm guessing (having been reported) there's far more than you really know. And they don't inform you of the outcome

Yes

My husband has pip, but didn't qualify for car. He has had cauda equina, walks with a stick, lives with pain, has a suprapubic catheter and does bowel irrigation. My husband didn't appeal and just accepted it. He can walk short distances with his stick. The cleaner at work has the pip car. His ailments are arthritis and mental health. He is a hell of a lot more able-bodied than DH, and I imagine must've exaggerated greatly.

I hate this sort of mindset, that someone thinks that they know so much about a person, just from what they see on the outside. You do not live with this cleaner, so you really have no idea of his struggles, with his mental health etc. Concentrate on your Husband instead.

You need to get at least 8 points to qualify. Cleaning doesn't count

Can't see how you'd get enough points especially as it's unlikely you'd have evidence that you meet the criteria

I’m assuming you’re answering @bonnie2055 rather than me.

You have no idea the issue this poster has.
Youre assuming.
Yes cleaning isn’t part of criteria (why, I have no idea). But not knowing the full ins and outs of Bonnie health issues, you simply cannot say whether she is or not meeting the criteria.

PIP is hard enough, being ill is hard enough wo other people judging you and assuming your abilities.

My daughter has MH problems.
A/W an ADD official diagnosis , addiction issues and depression ( medicated)
Struggling to get evidence.

I think you’re touching on 3 issues here

1- you dint know this person life. They might be working as a cleaner but have adaptations at work (eg regular breaks) and they might then spend the night in huge pain. But they need the money so carry on,

2- PIP is imo a game on how to answer questions. I don’t mean lying at all. But how to frame your struggles in the format that works for PIP.
eg your dh walks with a stick. If you say that he can walk 50 or 100m with the stick as an aid, you’re cooked re getting the enhanced mobility.
If you say he can walk 50 or 100m but he is very slow so it’s taking a really long time to walking those 50m, then it’s accepted as unable to ‘do it at a reasonable standard’. If he walks that distance but then his pain increases badly for the day and he can’t do it again? It’s not safe for him to walk. And he can’t repeatedly do it. You get the enhanced mobility.
(fwiw getting a BB also helps)

3- what makes a huge difference is the evidence you have.
Despite what DWP says, assessors do not trust people at all. If you have no evidence of your struggles, they dint believe it.
So the ‘trick’ is to gather evidence as much as you can. From NHS support services, Social Services or let’s say an OT you saw privately to help you organise the house/finding the right stick etc etc….

Fwiw That’s why it’s worth having support filling those forms.
If you feel your dh meet the criteria, then get support for the next time (now, don’t wait for the renewal forms!).
Ask fir the report of the assessor. This will tell you what they ‘believed’ and what they didn’t. In turn, it will show you where to get more evidence if you can.
And do an MR. Assessors are known for saying NO in stupid occasions. There is a reason why 70% of cases are overturned at tribunal!!

But please don’t assume that if someone has PIP or enhanced blablabla and you dint, it means they’ve lied.
Much more likely that the issue is somewhere else.

Your Daughter being prescribed regular medication for her depression etc, is evidence, in the form of ongoing treatment. It would be worth asking the GP surgery for a printout of her health summary, which might list her conditions.

He is much more able than my DH. I've seen him out on a Saturday night. My DH is a decent human who answered honestly. The cleaner no doubt has his problems as does everyone else, but has a different mindset. I've not reported him.

I noticed someone posted about their child not getting pip for diabetes. My sister has diabetes and has always worked full-time. My mum never had any DLA payments when she was growing up. She doesn't have the entitled mindset that someone else should help support her.

I do think there needs to be some self help, and getting on with it attitude. My DH works part-time, and struggles every single day. After the cauda equina he was told he could only drive an automatic, due to his bad leg. We changed car with our savings. We accepted the result.

When we were at the dealership, the car dealer said he sees people much more able than DH with mobility cars. There are undoubtedly people who work the system, and then it makes it harder for the genuine people.

Maybe. Tho the mum still only gets £28 a month

he is still working and hasn’t moaned to her he’s been done for tax evasion

this was 6mths ago she reported him

I find if you have no mental difficulties they like to say you can manage because you do that have physical difficulties. But if you have physical difficulties you should be able to manage because you don't have mental difficulties. What's that all about?

Gosh that made no sense whatever, apologies!

What I meant to say is if you have mental difficulties they say you can manage because you don't have any physical difficulties in that area. With the physical difficulties they'll often say you can manage because you don't have mental difficulties in that area.

This is from experience of applying for ME/CFS so a mix of both. I very much found if mentally they couldnt cope they fobbed you off with but physically you're fine in that area so you shouldnt struggle. And if they physically can't cope it was well that doesn't effect you mentally so you can cope. It's like the Schrödinger's cat of pip.

@HairyToity the mobility component is about more than the physical ability to walk. And just because you see someone as able-bodied doesn’t mean they are not eligible.

And people can get enhanced rate mobility, and thus be eligible for a motability vehicle, because they get some points on the moving around criteria and some on the planning and following a journey criteria. In this scenario, someone might be more able at walking than some others and more able to plan and follow a journey than some, but the combination of their needs means they pick points up on both activities.

@ladyamy 'the ole 'I'm too anxious to plan and journey or leave the house' golden ticket'

Comments like this are really upsetting for people who genuinely can't manage this activity.

And false also, because there is no 'golden ticket'.

Under DLA, some of us got an indefinite award. We were told, IIRC, we could be randomly reassessed

This was changed under PIP because apparently people were getting better but not informing the DWP.