Nottingham attack... Keyboard warriors!

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Had no idea how to name this thread!

A news article popped up on my Facebook feed of a stabbing that happened in Nottingham yesterday.

Horrible news, and obviously really hard to hear that knife crime is still so prominent in our communities.

Within the article itself, there has been no mention of who the attacker was. No mention of his background, only that he was 16 years old. I even googled for other news sources and none of them have named the suspect even though he has been apprehended. As he is under age, he cannot be named publicly at this stage.

I often head to the comments to see a summary of an article on Facebook, because a lot of them are click bait headlines. I just could not believe the amount of hate in the comment section!!!

I'm copying and pasting some of them:

"stop letting the boats in"

"Mass deportations now simple"

"Every knife/machete crime in the UK now is more than likely to be perpetrated by immigrants"

"Stop letting them in"

Amongst other horrific comments about the Muslim community and immigration.

I know that Facebook is wild for things like that, but it's really sad to see how whenever anything bad happens, even without complete facts, immigrants and POC are automatically the reason.

Every time there is a serious incident all people of colour are held accountable by virtue of their colour, yet when it’s a white perpetrator there isn't the condemnation.
Being a poc born here means nothing in this present climate.
Just because I am brown skinned doesn’t mean my life is worthless.

I see it on MN all the damn time: white person carries out a heinous offence and if anyone says "why aren't we mentioning race as its always important when its a poc?" they get shouted down.

Oh and agree with your other statement on the post I quoted @AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta

Ok but this thread wasn't started about terrorism but a knife attack carried out apparently by a mixed race male. Now I've never been to Nottingham and have no idea how multi racial it is there but assuming it's a predominantly white city are you expecting the mixed race residents to stand up and say "not in my name"? Because that seems incredibly unfair and exhausting for innocent people who just happen to share one characteristic with a murderer.
Genuine question btw

I asked a similar question about women but nobody answered. Should women be expected to decry and condemn any criminal act done by another woman just so they can avoid being tarred with the same brush, otherwise they have it coming and should be okay with it too?

@ArrrghNoName I mean the Russian/Ukraine conflict is terrible am I meant to expect my Russian neighbour (they are a minority in England) to say "hello I'm from Russia and against the war"? As it happens they are against it but the thought they'd have to continually stare that fact or the hard of thinking will automatically assume they are in favour of it is fucking depressing.

I haven't heard anybody defending the perpetrators.

Exactly! Imagine expecting them to do so, so that you don't see them as the same as Putin, or them feeling the need to do so and thinking it's okay? Depressing idea indeed!

Also, offences carried out by priests. Do we hear anything about all the bloody Christians? Of course we don't. Quite rightly because not all Christians and not all priests do these things but that also applies to Muslims.

I do most definitely think higher ups in the Catholic church should comment on these instances and condemn them. There's been a publised link to their cause, and it has caused mistrust towards their community

Nobody has. It's just a lazy argument to try and silence people.

Actually, none of the news reports have mentioned the colour of his skin, one poster did which I’m happy to believe. And with that being said in addition to your point - which minority group are we then asking to ‘renounce’ a crime? As no characteristic has been shared about the perpetrator. Which colour? Which religion? Or are we going to group everyone that isn’t the majority and ask them to excuse every person from a minority group ever to have committed a crime?

Probably best to get the minorities to apologise for any future crimes yet to be committed too. Just to save time.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce342g0xz15o
This is the article showing the killer's murdered mum and siblings. Mum looks white, siblings look mixed race. I'm only assuming the killer has the same dad and is also mixed race. Of course, he may have a different dad and be completely white.
It's irrelevant to me what colour he is. I'm only mentioning it because the whole point of this thread is how people jump on the skin colour or religion of killers.

OP racism is on the rise. And I too have seen people arguing black and brown people are not really British, even if born here.
I also know some rich black and brown people are emigrating. The racism is just too bad.

Oh no, I'm so sorry. I think this is a different case? This is Luton! What an idiot I am. I thought this was the Nottingham case.

It took me a moment, I haven't followed headlines and Nottingham attack makes me think of the other awful murders

Now there are so many, it's sad and frustrating

Ah yes, this is a different one in the news today. I guess it’s still irrelevant! We won’t know for a while yet what community this young man came from. So I stand by the disappointment in the blatant racism in the comments section

I assure you we do. It’s very regular for people to comment on Christian threads about Christians making excuses for child abuse, preferring to protect the abuser etc. that they’d never let their dc go to an activity in a church.
It’s really hard to refute when the media is full of failures at the top of the church, but ordinary church members work very hard at safeguarding. The church is about as safe as you can get because of the level of safeguarding, though it’s impossible to say failures can’t happen.

I bet my money that if breaking news just reported an asylum seeker had been stabbed you wouldn't be thinking "God, I just hope a brown person stabbed him so whites don't get called gammons online!" A member of the far right might think something like that! Caring about others is important and necessary for a healthy society but excessively focusing on the needs of the out group even at the expense of your own isn't. The far right only wants to consider themselves, the far left only wants to consider everyone else. There was the recent car ramming in Germany. Stabbing in Austria. Stabbing in France. All linked to extremists. Its Pavlov's dog isn't it. There's an attack and the first thought: immigration. If we want to change this and go back to being a kinder society that isn't racist and isn't suffering from regular terrorist attacks, we need real assimilation. Stop intervening abroad and creating refugees. Tighten borders, and deport criminals. Etc.

I have to disagree here, as majority of knife crime in the UK is completely unrelated to immigration.

If they attack or something like a car hitting pedestrians, another mass attack in whichever way, I would maybe understand how people can draw that conclusion. But even so, the commentary would be a an actual point as opposed to 'immigrants out'.

Fair enough I havent looked at those threads. I've never see it in the type of comments on Facebook the OP referred to though.