Tesla owners

[Moorfellduck]

I would never buy a Tesla now - literally over my dead body. I think Musk is dangerous and delusional and don't want to be associated with him in any way. I've got a few friends that have Tesla's and I know that they feel a bit conflicted. I guess they are kind of stuck with them for now.

If you've got one do you feel bad driving it and feel that people might be judging you now or do you dissociate the brand from Musk himself? I not a journo, just interest given how popular they are and a bit 🤔that people think it's okay to buy one now given they can make a choice that isn't contributing to Musks wealth and power.

Our Toyota Bz4x has lots of features like that. Some of it is standard in new cars to meet the Euro NCAP rating standards.

Not quite sure how you can "shun" a 1000lb bomb hurtling down at terminal velocity. Carried over by BMW and Mercedes engines.

@SerendipityJane I said brand...not bomb...

Back in the 1930s and 1940s access to the information we have today was not possible. The reports of the holocaust were only getting out in 1941 and 1942.
So it is highly likely most people did not know what companies were supporting the Nazis if they did not understand the full scale of what was actually going on.

I wonder how people driving BMWs and Mercedes felt in 1940 when BMW engines were powering the Luftwaffe bombers that rained down weath and destruction on them ? Must ask some when I remember.

What a stupid comment! How many of them
will even be alive still plus there were only about 2m cars on the road then.

The argument that "well people made bad choices nearly 100 years ago so why can't I" is facile.

It's fascinating that some people are quite happy to reveal themselves as nazi sympathisers

True dat, as suppose there is less stigma now.

I not as

I think the worrying thing as time has passed and with what's been going on with Musk and Kanye West with zero repercussions means we are becoming desensitised to it, it's just not shocking now.

Or not as shocking, at least.

I wouldn't get one. There are problems with the indicators constantly signalling right.

On the topic of desensitisation it often makes me think of Trump, to think in less than 20 years the US went from trying to impeach a president for lying about an extra marital affair and the media just generally treating the affair as the biggest thing to happen since Water Gate, to voting in a man who had been caught paying off prostitutes and being recorded saying sexually abusive things about women, it was SO underplayed.

And it's not just America. I guess it's the 24/7 news cycle and constant social media stream of shocking opinions contributing to this.

It's widely available knowledge that Toyota and Ford supply arms to the Israeli military.

I shall call people that own / consider owning those vehicles - genocide sympathisers.

@TY78910 widely known? I doubt that. I didn't know that. Can guarantee my husband doesn't. Mum doesn't. Brother doesn't. But I can guarantee they've all seen the Elon Musk stuff that's been unfolding. That is widely known, it's literally headline news.

there have been some issues with Teslas (aren't they currently doing a recall for some over an electronics issue?) but they get good reviews and they seem pretty good. (Cyber truck excepted, that looks shite)

I do wonder if they have currently lost their resale value due to Musk? and if now is a good time to get one 2nd hand?

(aside: i think the logo looks like an IUD and can never ever see it without thinking that)

Because our forebears who fought the last lot have died.

that's an interesting point. In this case? big purchase? I'd probably not buy a new Tesla because the idea of enriching that man sticks in the craw. Would i buy a 2nd hand one? possibly. They seem pretty good.

I don't buy books by Marion Zimmer Bradley or Neil Gaimon. I don't watch Woody Allen or Roman Polanski films. I don't generally buy Nestlé products, and i try never ever to fill up at a Shell or Esso station. But if needs must? for sure. In other words: yes, i do frequently check on products and companies. Do i make my life intolerably difficult? Of course not.

I expect few people did. There weren’t that many cars then and getting hold of petrol during rationing was awful.

@peudhrk

@Brefugee and here's where I would respect if you said you wouldn't buy a Tesla. Because you make a conscious effort to live your life doing right by others.

My whole point on this thread was that we can all close our eyes when it comes to certain matters as it is convenient. But something doesn't sit right when a person walks around in their fast fashion top, likely made by a child in awful conditions, with their nails freshly done by someone trafficked in to a high street nail shop, playing Wordle on their mobile phone with cobalt mined from the DRC in inhumane conditions but god forbid they drive a Tesla as they don't want to seem like they are a Nazi.

But what if we do none of those things?

It's weird to defend yourself with whataboutery. It's the weakest form of defence.

Why not start a thread about those other issues if you are so concerned.

not that i mind whether you respect me or not - i specifically said 2nd hand Tesla because unless there is a requirement that i use only Tesla manufactured EV stations (is there?) etc that would require me to shove my money at the man, there is no benefit to Musk if i buy one 2nd hand.

I specifically don't buy many clothes, and when i do i am careful about where i don't buy them from. Ditto other products (I check for palm oil like a maniac, it is difficult sometimes, but I tend not to buy products with palm oil). I am very careful what brands of milk i purchase (animal welfare) and don't buy eggs unless free range and no shredding of male chicks (preferably no killing of male chicks at all) etc etc.

but as pp said - doing nothing because you can't do everything is daft. Currently i am unemployed so i have to make difficult purchasing choices. Yesterday, after a lot of tooing and froing i didn't buy one of my usual products which comes in recyclable cardboard, but got a much much cheaper brand which is in plastic. But millions of us doing a small bit is the way to go.

I wonder how much depreciation affects the weekly/monthly running costs of a new Tesla now compared to 1 and 5 years ago.

i'm not whatabouting. I am saying that all of us make personal choices every day and gave examples of them. I buy outrageously expensive milk because i know it comes from cows that live in a field. Even though i really can't afford to do that with every product. Other people make other choices, including buying a Tesla, based on personal preference. In other areas of their lives they make other choices.

I agree. Most humans justify certain things or choose not to look too much into issues when it suits them.