Tesla owners

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I would never buy a Tesla now - literally over my dead body. I think Musk is dangerous and delusional and don't want to be associated with him in any way. I've got a few friends that have Tesla's and I know that they feel a bit conflicted. I guess they are kind of stuck with them for now.

If you've got one do you feel bad driving it and feel that people might be judging you now or do you dissociate the brand from Musk himself? I not a journo, just interest given how popular they are and a bit 🤔that people think it's okay to buy one now given they can make a choice that isn't contributing to Musks wealth and power.

You've missed the point. We are talking about future/recent purchases. Half my family are of Indian heritage. Some of them live in the US. I can assure you none of them would buy a Tesla now even if they might have considered it (for environmental reasons) in the past.

It's perfectly reasonable to form /change an opinion about someone based on their purchasing decisions. Particularly such a significant purchase that is now so inextricably linked financially to someone who is just bulldozing through democracy

Bizarre isn’t it. I wouldn’t call a Tesla driver a Nazi any more than someone wearing a stone island jumper a skin head or a kid wearing a Hoodrich tracksuit gang affiliated.

I am not in the US, I am talking about people who are not white who continue to buy Teslas here in The UK - are they supporting Nazism?
I bought mine around 18 months ago so I suppose that purchase may be deemed "acceptable" but I can't say I would definitely not buy one again if I considered it the best option.

I am talking about people in the UK too. Musk has revealed his true colours over the last six months or so and that is when purchasing decisions have changed.

However - yes- being of Indian heritage etc doesn't preclude someone affiliating themselves with nazi /extreme right wing attitudes (see Suella Braverman for instance). They may hate women /more recent immigrants etc. it's no defence to poor and unpleasant decisions to say "well someone with Indian heritage also made this decision".

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I 'll have to tell the Mash to add " a non white person bought one" to the list of possible excuses

Its not an excuse, I don't need anyone to excuse me.
It was a question - if people who buy Teslas support Nazism how do you explain the fact that a lot of non white people also buy them as well as a lot of left wing people?
Can you also see how accusing some Tesla owners of supporting Nazism could be extremely offensive?

Are you not able to comprehend that the world has changed in recent weeks never mind months? That Musk is showing his true colours like never before?
That irrespective of choices made in the past,.given what we know now purchasing a Tesla going forward is quite rightly a wildly questionable decision. If you don't understand this, you haven't been paying attention.

if people who buy Teslas support Nazism how do you explain the fact that a lot of non white people also buy them as well as a lot of left wing people?

A lot of people voted for the Nazis because of their environmental policies.

https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/examining-nazi-environmentalism-during-earth-week

Being a Tesla owner doesn't make you clever.

Being a Tesla owner makes me a Tesla owner and thats all.
My political opinions are my own but they most certainly are not Nazism.
Its people who think they know a lot about someone simply because of the car they drive that aren't clever.

Owning one now is one thing. Choosing to purchase another would be quite a different thing

Having wallowed in actuarial data for years, you can tell a lot about someone from the car they drive

OOh go on, tell me about myself.
Keep it factual rather than offensive and I promise I will tell you if you are right.

German election day 2: AfD leader says Elon Musk congratulated her personally

People who buy Tesla and use Twatter do it with full awareness that their money might be used to support and bring to power Neo-Nazi.

Which means they are comfortable with such possible support.

End of.

People who buy Tesla now are either exceptionally thick or do support Nazism. Doesn't matter which colour they are or what they say to appear to be socially acceptable.

We’re on our second Tesla, leased through work. The car is streets ahead of others in the category or price band, and we considered many when switching last year.

That said, we are unlikely to get another unless things change but that’s a problem for three years from now.

Same here but we bought ours 18 months ago as a company car, its virtually free.
I suppose these virtue signallers would say thats ok as I bought it before Musk went totally Nazi but I still object to being called that, its very offensive

You object to you being called that, or Musk being called that?

I don't think anyone here has called you (or me or any other person who has previously bought a Tesla) a Nazi. But it is a fact that if you buy another one you are putting your financial support behind someone who is, at the very least, not Nazi-averse, and publicly so.

And it's not virtue signalling to say you don't want to give him your money or boost his credibility. It's principled decision making.

Me, Musk is utter scum and probably a Nazi too.
I just refuse to be defined by what I drive

Unfortunately it's not how it works. When people see Tesla now they don't know when you handed your money over to Musk. They just see that part of your money most likely funded Trump, AfD, Reform and the likes. So they judge. And rightly so.
Your refusal to accept it doesn't change anything.

Where did I say otherwise? 🤔

But you're not. You can, however, be defined by the choices you make going forward.

And nobodys judgement would stop me from buying the car of my choice.
I would probably factor in Musk now BUT if after looking at all the options a Tesla was still the best option I may well buy one again. It was last time and I wasn't a huge fan of Musk even then

@Hoppinggreen it says it all?

So judgement is correct in your case