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An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138

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Spandauer · 15/02/2025 20:11

With a side order of Vance, Zuckerberg and Netanyahu.*
(*Other flavours are available)

Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.
George Orwell

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pentangles · 24/02/2025 00:22

Trump's general silence regarding PooTin speaks volumes.

Also, absolutely iconic photograph of the flag at Yosimite in that protest article.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/02/2025 01:05

PerkingFaintly · 23/02/2025 20:24

BTW there's an important question which Republicans – and commentators in general – should be asking.

They tell us over and over that Trump is transactional. That in order to get anything from Trump, you have to give him something in return.

So when the Canadians dealt with his tariffs PR stunt, they had to offer him something. (OK they only offered him a PR win by reannouncing their Biden-era stuff and letting him pretend it was his, but PR's what he likes.)

When Starmer goes to see Trump, we're told he needs to have chips to offer him.

When Ukraine deals with Trump, we're told they need to offer him something.

OK.

So my question – everybody's question – is:

What has Russia given Trump? What chips has Putin offered him?

We can see what Trump has given Putin.

He's lied for Putin, claimed the Ukraine started Putin's war. He publicly stated he believed Putin more than his own US security services. He hurls abuse at everyone but Putin (no "Little Rocket Man" insults for Vlad).

What is the other side of this transaction?

Maybe something's escaped my memory, but I cannot think of anything Putin has PUBLICLY given Trump as his side of the transaction – at any time in the last decade.

Republicans who happily repeat again and again that Trump is transactional, need to ask themselves what the transaction was.

Maybe it's what Putin hasn't done?

Though there was talk of Russian interference with the previous Trump presidency elections..

pentangles · 24/02/2025 01:17

Prior to the recent election, didn't I hear that Trump had said to his 'fans' that they didn't need to worry or even go out to vote?
Suggestive of him knowing it was rigged?
If so, he certainly doesn't keep his cards close to his chest.

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Errolwasahero · 24/02/2025 06:53

I think Putin’s already given Trump what he wants; “you do as I say, I’ll get you the most powerful job on earth.”

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 24/02/2025 09:21

BustingBaoBun · 23/02/2025 10:02

Yes. And having watched a series of 'town halls' (not sure if that's the correct term...) where Republicans are furiously angry with their congress people, shouting at them about defunding of medicaid, job cuts, and more. Trump was called a megalomaniac at one town hall to huge cheers.

Wow, gosh, that's the first I've seen of this. Thank you for that. Tiny seeds of hope that they manage to do something before the USA implodes and becomes a satellite of Russia.

medianewbie · 24/02/2025 09:32

pentangles · 24/02/2025 01:17

Prior to the recent election, didn't I hear that Trump had said to his 'fans' that they didn't need to worry or even go out to vote?
Suggestive of him knowing it was rigged?
If so, he certainly doesn't keep his cards close to his chest.

Yes, I seem to remember he was speaking to a Christian group and he said: 'you don't need to worry about any more elections, there won't be any'. I paraphrase, he rambles, but this was the gist of it.

medianewbie · 24/02/2025 09:39

Did anyone else watch the US version of HIGNIFY last night ? The New York 17th District Republican, Mike Lawler was given a pretty tough time (by his own team captain): It was excellent! Amazingly, he mocked Trump with a song, then later impersonated him.

Spandauer · 24/02/2025 09:43

I just read that report and thought...

An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138
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SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 09:56

If Trump is a Russian asset, then it's (a) hardly a secret and (b) not damaging his cause.

This is how you can tell MAGA is a cult. These fuckknuckles not only would not turn on Trump even if he dressed in a hammer and sickle suit as he announced that cabbage is now the national dish. They would cheer and clap and crowd their social media praising him as a genius who was teaching Putin a thing or two.

Meanwhile, were I involved in British Intelligence (not the oxymoron it could be) I would not share anything of value with my US counterparts.

Spandauer · 24/02/2025 10:57

More of this please. And pronto.

Thousands in Midwestern GOP Districts Attend Sanders' First Stops on Tour to Fight Oligarchy.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/bernie-sanders-donald-trump

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CaveMum · 24/02/2025 11:49

PerkingFaintly · 23/02/2025 19:55

Might have been on here, but I saw something recently about the details of Trump's "cats in a sack" management style.

IIRC, he doesn't straightforwardly threaten to fire people. He says, "You know Kash, Elon was telling me I should get rid of you. But I think I'll give you another chance."

And then, "You know Elon, Kash was telling me I should get rid of you..."

Keeps his circle in constant animosity against each other (prevents them allying against him), and constantly competing to be the one he likes most and doesn't fire.

I believe I’ve heard The Mooch say similar on TRIP US.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/02/2025 13:27

@BustingBaoBun
@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Re those GOP Town Halls; what's pretty significant to me is the absolutely gobsmacked look on the faces of those Legislators when they see that their constituents are no longer buying what they're selling. In the past they've been used to spouting Scrotus' lies to loud cheers but that's not happening anymore. I think some of them are realizing that the time is coming when they're going to have to make a choice between 'loyalty' to Scrotus and the approval of the voting public and their chances of being re-elected in 2026.

BustingBaoBun · 24/02/2025 13:56

Totally agree Across

Some were literally gob hanging open catching flies not knowing what to say... some were kicking back so the shouts and outrage just got louder and louder... some just looked shamefaced and mumbled a lot.

(Will admit I've been seeking some out to watch 😅)

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 14:01

AcrossthePond55 · 24/02/2025 13:27

@BustingBaoBun
@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Re those GOP Town Halls; what's pretty significant to me is the absolutely gobsmacked look on the faces of those Legislators when they see that their constituents are no longer buying what they're selling. In the past they've been used to spouting Scrotus' lies to loud cheers but that's not happening anymore. I think some of them are realizing that the time is coming when they're going to have to make a choice between 'loyalty' to Scrotus and the approval of the voting public and their chances of being re-elected in 2026.

I think it's too late though.

What can they do now ? (Clue in the picture).

If they should be affected - in whatever form it takes - by their constitiuents - you can only imagine their doubled disbelief as Donnie does not ride to the rescue.

An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138
Wallaw · 24/02/2025 14:02

AcrossthePond55 · 24/02/2025 13:27

@BustingBaoBun
@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Re those GOP Town Halls; what's pretty significant to me is the absolutely gobsmacked look on the faces of those Legislators when they see that their constituents are no longer buying what they're selling. In the past they've been used to spouting Scrotus' lies to loud cheers but that's not happening anymore. I think some of them are realizing that the time is coming when they're going to have to make a choice between 'loyalty' to Scrotus and the approval of the voting public and their chances of being re-elected in 2026.

The stumbling block being Musk funding people to primary them. They're effed if they go along with it and effed if they don't. They'll have to find the backbone to say to the voters, you might not like me, but think about what your next option is going to be. A lot of those areas/districts would rather die on the street with only their MAGA hats for sustenance than vote for a Dem.

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 14:40

Wallaw · 24/02/2025 14:02

The stumbling block being Musk funding people to primary them. They're effed if they go along with it and effed if they don't. They'll have to find the backbone to say to the voters, you might not like me, but think about what your next option is going to be. A lot of those areas/districts would rather die on the street with only their MAGA hats for sustenance than vote for a Dem.

How come even bacteria and viruses can develop resistance to antibiotics, but human populations are considered permanently vulnerable to "primarying" ?

One of the problems with being a super rich cunt, is that you only think in $$$s.

The implication of "primarying" is that there will be another willingly gullible stooge to replace the previous incalcitrant one with. Which may prove harder and harder as the effects of Project 2025 start to bite in earnest.

As with Putins Ukraine invasion, this coup really needs to be complete in weeks, or it too will fail. In this respect the sheer size and heterogeneity of the US could be it's single biggest protection. Although I still feel that the destination here is much less important than the routes to it. It would be impossible to militarily overcome the US. So any enemy would have to work out a way to incapacitate it first.

I defy anyone to argue against that statement as it stands (gives ChatGPT a hard stare).

Wallaw · 24/02/2025 14:55

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 14:40

How come even bacteria and viruses can develop resistance to antibiotics, but human populations are considered permanently vulnerable to "primarying" ?

One of the problems with being a super rich cunt, is that you only think in $$$s.

The implication of "primarying" is that there will be another willingly gullible stooge to replace the previous incalcitrant one with. Which may prove harder and harder as the effects of Project 2025 start to bite in earnest.

As with Putins Ukraine invasion, this coup really needs to be complete in weeks, or it too will fail. In this respect the sheer size and heterogeneity of the US could be it's single biggest protection. Although I still feel that the destination here is much less important than the routes to it. It would be impossible to militarily overcome the US. So any enemy would have to work out a way to incapacitate it first.

I defy anyone to argue against that statement as it stands (gives ChatGPT a hard stare).

The implication of "primarying" is that there will be another willingly gullible stooge to replace the previous incalcitrant one with. Which may prove harder and harder as the effects of Project 2025 start to bite in earnest.

From your mouth to God's ear, as they say.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/02/2025 15:38

@SerendipityJane
@Wallaw

I see what each of you is saying. But I think even MAGAts will fly out the window IF the wolf walks in the door. Some of this shit Elon is doing is going to bite the MidWest and the South hard and that's going to affect loyalty. To an extent, 'Scroteon' sort of gets this, that's why they have walked back quite a few of the stupid things they've done.

BUT, the biggest thing that will help this happen is if the Dems quit dithering and placating the more, shall we say, 'radical' parts of the party and focus on 'dollars and cents' issues and moderate their stance on more divisive issues. The latter won't be easily done, but it can be done. I'm not saying to wholesale abandon our principles forever, just that sometimes the ends must justify the means.

Get back 'in power', then start working towards your aims. That seems to have worked for the GOP and Project 2025. Sometimes you have to pull from your enemies' playbook. No matter how distasteful it seems.

PerkingFaintly · 24/02/2025 15:39

CaveMum · 24/02/2025 11:49

I believe I’ve heard The Mooch say similar on TRIP US.

Aha, I bet it was from there, via you! Thank you!

It seemed worth repeating.

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 15:41

Sometimes you have to pull from your enemies' playbook. No matter how distasteful it seems.

That's how evolution works.

CaveMum · 24/02/2025 16:40

The interview with Bill Maher on Pod Save America over the weekend is worth listening to. He pulls no punches in saying what the Dems need to do next.

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 16:56

CaveMum · 24/02/2025 16:40

The interview with Bill Maher on Pod Save America over the weekend is worth listening to. He pulls no punches in saying what the Dems need to do next.

The old canard about not interrupting your enemy when they are making a mistake is worth remembering. There is a time and a place.

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2025 17:49

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/judge-blocks-department-education-federal-personnel-office-sharing-dat-rcna193453

A federal judge in Maryland has blocked the Department of Education and Office of Personnel Management from sharing the personal information of plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Trump administration with Elon Musk's so-called Department of Government Efficiency.

U.S. District Judge Deborah L. Boardman issued a temporary restraining order Monday on both agencies and wrote in an opinion that the plaintiffs in the case, which include members of several major unions, showed that the Education Department and OPM "likely violated the Privacy Act by disclosing their personal information to DOGE affiliates without their consent."

Boardman wrote that the plaintiffs "met their burden for the extraordinary relief they seek" by clearly showing that they are "likely to suffer irreparable harm without injunctive relief."

"DOGE affiliates have been granted access to systems of record that contain some of the plaintiffs’ most sensitive data — Social Security numbers, dates of birth, home addresses, income and assets, citizenship status, and disability status — and their access to this trove of personal information is ongoing," she wrote. "There is no reason to believe their access to this information will end anytime soon because the government believes their access is appropriate."

The White House didn’t immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

“This is a significant decision that puts a firewall between actors whom we believe lack the legitimacy and authority to access Americans’ personal data and are using it inappropriately, without any safeguards,” said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, the lead plaintiff in the case.

The plaintiffs are unions and membership organizations that represent current and former federal employees as well as federal student loan recipients and six military veterans who have received federal benefits or student loans.

TopPocketFind · 24/02/2025 18:12

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/24/united-nations-ukraine-russia-trump/

The United States voted with Russia, North Korea, Belarus and 14 other Moscow-friendly countries Monday on a resolution condemning Russian aggression in Ukraine and calling for its occupied territory to be returned that passed overwhelmingly in the U.N. General Assembly on Monday.

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